The LeBron James Thread

[BaselineBakes]

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but thats JUST my point... "GREAT" players don't get rattled & give up though THE FACT IS THAT WHAT HE DID IN THE CRUCIAL MOMENTS OF HIS CAREER... even the shots that he did hit late in the Chi & Boston series were not good "Championship" shots... no one had a hot hand last night when he gave up so he, being billed & taking the role as the greatest player in the league shouldve taken it upon his self to at least attempt to lead the team to a victory.

i NEVER remeber hearing this debate or argument about ANY great player in history's willingness to play his part as a leader & there were PLENTY of teams with multiple superstars (50 greatest ever) over the course of time

It's revisionist history to say that the greats never got rattled or had off games to build your case against Lebron, If you feel that way then that's how you feel, but in actuality it's false and your putting these dudes on a mantle no one will ever live up to. I'm not going to sit here and bring up every one of the 50 greatest players of all time's bad game's and I'm not here to compare Lebron to Jordan so with that said carry on.

[ronyell]

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It's revisionist history to say that the greats never got rattled or had off games to build your case against Lebron, If you feel that way then that's how you feel, but in actuality it's false and your putting these dudes on a mantle no one will ever live up to. I'm not going to sit here and bring up every one of the 50 greatest players of all time's bad game's and I'm not here to compare Lebron to Jordan so with that said carry on.

i welcome a debate to make me see something that i may not have seen but my point is NOT that none of them ever got rattled & had a bad game... my point is that none of them got rattled & COMPLETELY STOPPED LOOKING TO SCORE... to have a bad game you have to take shots & move around on the court... Lebron stood & watched his team loose... is that not what happened?

[celg35]

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[QUOTE=teddyballgame78;2042489090]

I'm just gonna reply on the KG remark. Yes or no is Charlie Villenueva a cancer to his team? Assuming you understand what KG meant.

Teddy ,that is not what he said. That is how he tried to back track out of what he really said . But you know what, I don't hate KG . He got caught up in the heat of the game and his emotions got the best of him. All players have those moments. My point is maybe we should not try to twist and mold Lebron's antics into a negative notion all the time.

[Kashanova]

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The team they had was capable of winning a championship and from there they would just have to hope they draft well and eventually get somebody that might be able to help LeBron get over the hump. Jason Terry ain't that much better than Jamison and Mo.

Terry is better when it counts, He hit shots. Mo vanished in the playoffs time after time

[teddyballgame78]

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I swear I don't dude don't make me go get press conferences and quotes to back my point of view up with.

[King_B_Mack]

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it was impossible for the setup the cavs had, no great second option wanted to play in cleveland with lebron....

It was not impossible, they could have competed this year. The team that the Cavs trotted out there this year is NOT, I repeat NOT the team we would have seen had LeBron stayed his *** put. Shaq would have been gone which would've freed up some cash. Who knows maybe they still make the Mo/Jamario for B-Diddy trade. They could have accomplished something at the deadline. Or maybe, maybe with another year together building they're chemistry, the team that they had could compete in what was a wide open league, a wide open East. They certainly could have beaten the Magic of this season. The Bulls lost one game in the division in like the last week of the season which helped them secure the number one seed, perhaps that doesn't happen with LeBron present in the division still. I don't care what illusions people try to create about that Cavs team, they could have competed this year, but it's moot really cause we'll never know.

And for the umpteenth time, it's hard to attract free agents when the 'best player in the league' treats a franchise like prison that he's marking his days down til he bolts from. You know where a great place to live is with clubs, parties, women, shopping all that good stuff? Chicago. You know where free agents pretty much refused to come for a good eight, nine years or so? Chicago. Free Agents will go where the stars are and the biggest star in the league was in Cleveland, he just refused to put any effort whatsoever into helping get them there. I'm convinced if the Cavs had blown out the Celtics, blown out the Magic (the way the Celtics had last year) and went on to last year's Finals and lost to the Lakers in seven, dude would have still bailed and people would still be talking about him not ever being able to win in Cleveland and apparently rotting there.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Terry is better when it counts, He hit shots. Mo vanished in the playoffs time after time

After the way LeBron's gone out the past two post-seasons, that's really the argument you wanna go with?

Terry shot the ball poorly in almost every post-season until this year. He had his redemption this year. Mo was given 2 chances. Terry was given like 6 before he finally came through.

Edit: And by poorly, I mean at Mo's level or worse.

[ronyell]

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It was not impossible, they could have competed this year. The team that the Cavs trotted out there this year is NOT, I repeat NOT the team we would have seen had LeBron stayed his *** put. Shaq would have been gone which would've freed up some cash. Who knows maybe they still make the Mo/Jamario for B-Diddy trade. They could have accomplished something at the deadline. Or maybe, maybe with another year together building they're chemistry, the team that they had could compete in what was a wide open league, a wide open East. They certainly could have beaten the Magic of this season. The Bulls lost one game in the division in like the last week of the season which helped them secure the number one seed, perhaps that doesn't happen with LeBron present in the division still. I don't care what illusions people try to create about that Cavs team, they could have competed this year, but it's moot really cause we'll never know.

And for the umpteenth time, it's hard to attract free agents when the 'best player in the league' treats a franchise like prison that he's marking his days down til he bolts from. You know where a great place to live is with clubs, parties, women, shopping all that good stuff? Chicago. You know where free agents pretty much refused to come for a good eight, nine years or so? Chicago. Free Agents will go where the stars are and the biggest star in the league was in Cleveland, he just refused to put any effort whatsoever into helping get them there. I'm convinced if the Cavs had blown out the Celtics, blown out the Magic (the way the Celtics had last year) and went on to last year's Finals and lost to the Lakers in seven, dude would have still bailed and people would still be talking about him not ever being able to win in Cleveland and apparently rotting there.

great post & by the way they had Shaq & Jamison who were both on expiring contracts that were making about 24 mil between them... could they not have gotten another star if Lebron stayed?!

[Kashanova]

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It was not impossible, they could have competed this year. The team that the Cavs trotted out there this year is NOT, I repeat NOT the team we would have seen had LeBron stayed his *** put. Shaq would have been gone which would've freed up some cash. Who knows maybe they still make the Mo/Jamario for B-Diddy trade. They could have accomplished something at the deadline. Or maybe, maybe with another year together building they're chemistry, the team that they had could compete in what was a wide open league, a wide open East. They certainly could have beaten the Magic of this season. The Bulls lost one game in the division in like the last week of the season which helped them secure the number one seed, perhaps that doesn't happen with LeBron present in the division still. I don't care what illusions people try to create about that Cavs team, they could have competed this year, but it's moot really cause we'll never know.

And for the umpteenth time, it's hard to attract free agents when the 'best player in the league' treats a franchise like prison that he's marking his days down til he bolts from. You know where a great place to live is with clubs, parties, women, shopping all that good stuff? Chicago. You know where free agents pretty much refused to come for a good eight, nine years or so? Chicago. Free Agents will go where the stars are and the biggest star in the league was in Cleveland, he just refused to put any effort whatsoever into helping get them there. I'm convinced if the Cavs had blown out the Celtics, blown out the Magic (the way the Celtics had last year) and went on to last year's Finals and lost to the Lakers in seven, dude would have still bailed and people would still be talking about him not ever being able to win in Cleveland and apparently rotting there.

LB didn't always treat the franchise like that, and the cavs had 7 free agent classes and drafts to help out lebron and did nothing adequate enough to make a difference. Right after the loss to the spurs James still had a few years left on his contract so I'm sure they could of had a good player come to the team had they wanted to go to cleveland, but it wasn't the case. Cavs weren't going to win a chip soon with that team and coach.

[teddyballgame78]

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I love debating with you guys. Def make me see the errors in my ways. I do hate LeBron and all he stands for but I'm gonna try not to hate starting now. However I leave you all with this quote.

"All the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. So they can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they got to get back to the real world at some point."

You know what. He was right I woke up the same person. The same job making 11.15hr and barely able to support myself and my pug. I make plenty of life mistakes but I'd like to think I learn from them.

The NBA is a great escape from my everyday life but thanks for reminding me of my non spectacular lifestyle lol. Really though I do love basketball I love the emotion of it. I just wish Bron respected the game the way it should be. That's all no "what should I do" commercials, no parades before you win anything at all, no more showing up your peers. Just play dude shut everyone up. Win and shut up and LeBron would be amazed how people would start to respect him. I don't ever see him doing this though I really don't.

[BaselineBakes]

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i welcome a debate to make me see something that i may not have seen but my point is NOT that none of them ever got rattled & had a bad game... my point is that none of them got rattled & COMPLETELY STOPPED LOOKING TO SCORE... to have a bad game you have to take shots & move around on the court... Lebron stood & watched his team loose... is that not what happened?

Game 4 he was abysmal, yes. I can't explain it other than he differed hard trying to find a rhythm in the first and then just lost complete focus in the second half. Game 5 he seemed more active but without a jumpshot against a double team and a zone and the inability to get to the foul line what is he supposed to do? chuck when Wade had it going? Drive head first like a bull in a china shop into the teeth of the zone? Game 6 was more of the same in Game 5 except Wade didn't have it and he was pressing more.

Hopefully what the Heat are trying to build is something the opposite of what people seem to want from Lebron(to be some type of hero) Spoelstra preached trust all year long and when Lebron trusted the open man he get's killed for it. He made some bad reads this series at the worst times but I'm not going to kill him for trying to play basketball the right way. People are drunk off of the LeIso years.

[ronyell]

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I love debating with you guys. Def make me see the errors in my ways. I do hate LeBron and all he stands for but I'm gonna try not to hate starting now. However I leave you all with this quote.

"All the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. So they can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they got to get back to the real world at some point."

You know what. He was right I woke up the same person. The same job making 11.15hr and barely able to support myself and my pug. I make plenty of life mistakes but I'd like to think I learn from them.

The NBA is a great escape from my everyday life but thanks for reminding me of my non spectacular lifestyle lol. Really though I do love basketball I love the emotion of it. I just wish Bron respected the game the way it should be. That's all no "what should I do" commercials, no parades before you win anything at all, no more showing up your peers. Just play dude shut everyone up. Win and shut up and LeBron would be amazed how people would start to respect him. I don't ever see him doing this though I really don't.

thats how Kobe won me over...after... u know... the incident... he STFU played & won... Lebron always says that he'l let his game do the talking... well... Lebron... u CERTAINLY did that! only prolem is; you STILL had a LOT to say & it all came back on you.

[teddyballgame78]

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One last thing. The sentence that he says "So they can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they got to get back to the real world at some point."

Not only myself but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. Sounds like don't forget they deserve blame for losing as well. Calling out his teammates right? Oh and we get to go back to the real world? Where the **** is LeBron living never never land?

[ronyell]

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Game 4 he was abysmal, yes. I can't explain it other than he differed hard trying to find a rhythm in the first and then just lost complete focus in the second half. Game 5 he seemed more active but without a jumpshot against a double team and a zone and the inability to get to the foul line what is he supposed to do? chuck when Wade had it going? Drive head first like a bull in a china shop into the teeth of the zone? Game 6 was more of the same in Game 5 except Wade didn't have it and he was pressing more.

Hopefully what the Heat are trying to build is something the opposite of what people seem to want from Lebron(to be some type of hero) Spoelstra preached trust all year long and when Lebron trusted the open man he get's killed for it. He made some bad reads this series at the worst times but I'm not going to kill him for trying to play basketball the right way. People are drunk off of the LeIso years.

i see your point & i can slightly agree on game 5 but i still think he coulda tried more down the stretch last night. as far as the drive head first comment... thats what Wade did against the Mavs the last time he played them in the finals to win... so yeah i think he couldve forced the action a bit more... he's THE MOST gifted 6'9 260 pounder EVEN with a full head of steam toward the basket... why not force a good shot or force the refs to call SOMETHING in a game at home in the finals in the last moments of a close out game?! i think u would get those calls at home so attempt to get your superstar, home court calls down the stretch... to quote one of my favorite NFL coaches... "he let em off the damn hook!"

[teddyballgame78]

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i see your point & i can slightly agree on game 5 but i still think he coulda tried more down the stretch last night. as far as the drive head first comment... thats what Wade did to get against the Mavs the last time he played them in the finals to win... so yeah i think he couldve forced the action a bit more... he's THE MOST gifted 6'90 260 pounder ever with a full head of steam headed toward the basket... why not force a good shot or force the refs to call SOMETHING in a game at home in the finals moments of a close out game... to quote one of my favorite NFL coaches... "he let em off the damn hook!"

When he hit that three and Dirk n Chandler started getting fouls I thought he was gonna do it. You know take over and win the game but to my delight he did the opposite lol. I really almost didn't watch the finals that's how much I thought it was a foregone conclusion you know.

Oh and love that quote applies nicely "the Bears are who we thought they were! That's why we took the damn field. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ***! But they are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook

ahaha one of my favorite moments in sports the other being hal mcrae tossin his phone good stuff!