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  • Slater James
    Rookie
    • Oct 2013
    • 92

    #12946
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Brian Windhorst wrote a damn good article about LBJ and DWade making their partnership work.

    In ESPN The Magazine's NBA Preview Issue, Brian Windhorst writes that both get frustrated. Either might stalk off next year. Yet somehow, the LeBron James-Dwyane Wade experiment hasn’t imploded yet.


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    • Slater James
      Rookie
      • Oct 2013
      • 92

      #12947
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      Thought this was interesting

      Wade and James often refer to themselves as friends, but those close to them say that's not exactly accurate. They are friendly. More important, though, they have shown a commitment to working with each other. That was ultimately why James made the decision to trust Wade in Game 7 against the Pacers. Wade took the first shot of the game and put up four before James fired his first. Wade ended up with 21 points, his best game of the postseason to that point; James finished strong and had 32 points. Miami ended up in the Finals, where James again helped a struggling Wade come through in Game 7 -- with 23 points and 10 rebounds -- while he authored one of the greatest series-winning performances in NBA history. Once again, they had navigated the key moments, under outrageous pressure, and held the partnership together.Yet the dynamic had clearly shifted. And in the Bahamas, everyone senses it. James now feels and acts like the leader of the team, and Wade has accepted his lesser role. "I'm the second option on this team," Wade had said at the team's media day in Miami. "Point-blank. Let's say it." Given that one of Wade's first orders of business during the Big Three's initial training camp in 2010 had been to announce that he would no longer answer to "Flash" -- the sidekick nickname Shaquille O'Neal bestowed on him nine years earlier -- this is a big, if obvious, admission.
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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #12948
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        Originally posted by 24
        It doesn't matter how many MVP's He wins, how many rings he brings home or what he leads the league in. The Majority People will always view Jordan as the GOAT.
        And for good reason. Arguments need something to support them but honestly, this is one that just can't really have anything. James still has the potential to be rightfully considered the best ever but that's just bc his physical talents and body are THAT impressive. He's still not at that point though. It's a matter of opinion, but one widely shared for good reason.

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        Right, I just know some people do feel he needs a certain number of rings.. I was just wondering if people applied this to other areas as well.
        No offense to those people but it's a waste of time wondering what they think when you don't agree with their line of thinking. I agree with you, btw.

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #12949
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          Originally posted by 24
          It doesn't matter how many MVP's He wins, how many rings he brings home or what he leads the league in. The Majority People will always view Jordan as the GOAT.
          Always? Maybe our generation. Let's have this discussion on bball boards in 30 years.

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          • jeebs9
            Fear is the Unknown
            • Oct 2008
            • 47568

            #12950
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            I kind of wonder what it would take for LeBron to be consider the best. He's got to be the best small forward right? Will it take 8 rings? 5 more MVP trophies?
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            • OSUFan_88
              Outback Jesus
              • Jul 2004
              • 25642

              #12951
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Originally posted by jeebs9
              I kind of wonder what it would take for LeBron to be consider the best.
              In some minds, he will never be considered the best.

              I'm old enough to have seen and remembered late prime Jordan, from 94-retirement, and I'd say that LeBron is probably the best player I've ever seen play.

              But really, who cares? It's different strokes for different folks. They are both top 5 to ever play the game, so it's nitpicky to call either GOAT.

              There are still people out there who think Wilt or Jabbar are the GOAT. Some think Russell is GOAT. Who cares?
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              • Bornindamecca
                Books Nelson Simnation
                • Jul 2007
                • 10919

                #12952
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Originally posted by 24
                It doesn't matter how many MVP's He wins, how many rings he brings home or what he leads the league in. The Majority People will always view Jordan as the GOAT.
                And they'd all be right.
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                • OSUFan_88
                  Outback Jesus
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 25642

                  #12953
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  And they'd all be right.


                  Certainly no bias there...
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                  • TajDeni
                    Pro
                    • May 2010
                    • 906

                    #12954
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    im one of those ppl who place a high value on rings, especially when i feel that said player has/had a contending worthy team around themselves. but i also know that there are sometimes other factors involve that can be out of said players control.

                    having said that, my personally feelings on the matter is that in terms of being eligible for consideration as the GOAT, there is a minimum number of rings a player must win b4 im willing to consider his application.

                    and staying true to that, ive never argued that lebron had to win 6 or so rings to be considered the GOAT. and tho i havent really sat down to think too deeply about it; off the top of my head ill go with 3 rings as my baseline standard for consideration of the title GOAT.

                    so in this example, lets say that by the end of lebrons career, i thought that he was the "best" player id ever seen, but he was still stuck on 2 titles. i wouldnt consider him eligible for the title of GOAT, but would simply refer to him the best player ive ever seen.

                    if you find that strange, know that to me there is a difference between the best player ive ever seen and the greatest player ever. tho presently i dont consider lebron either of those things; but he still has plenty of time to possibly change that.

                    what i can say presently is that lebron has finally reached a point with me where i will never bag on him again about not winning; even if he never won another title. in my eyes he is a made man. he is his own monument in the history of the game.
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                    • Vni
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 14833

                      #12955
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      How could the GOAT end up with only 2 or 3 rings though?

                      Thing is to me the GOAT has to be the most skilled player ever. He has to know everything about the game, he has to be able to pull off every moves. Lebron is a freak of nature and is great at what he does but he isn't there yet.

                      But the older he gets, the more I appreciate his game.
                      Last edited by Vni; 10-18-2013, 06:56 PM.

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                      • The 24th Letter
                        ERA
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 39373

                        #12956
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        This dude is 28...I don't get the obsession with the GOAT talk...he's got miles to go before his career is over..

                        I wonder if this is how some people felt when people referred to MJ as the goat 1 ring in...

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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #12957
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          That GOAT crap wasn't around then so no, thankfully. Plus we weren't quite the jump-to-conclusion society that we are now either.
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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #12958
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            There also wasn't this much sensitivity about it either.

                            Honestly the fact that so many people need to defend Jordan the way they do, and the way Jordan has to bring up LeBron talks "I wouldn't team with Magic and Bird", "Id take Kobe", "LeBron doesn't have the rings", "I would just make him go left", "I could take him one on one", and all the stuff he has to constantly say about him.. All of that just makes me feel like it's much closer than what people act like it is anyways... I wouldn't say people are "scared" that someone could be better than him, but it seems to be unsettling to a lot of people, even MJ, and I don't understand why it should be a problem..

                            In no other case can I think of where people get this worked up about it.. There are people who don't think Jordan is the GOAT. There are people who pick Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, etc.. I knew people who personally would tell me I was wrong for thinking Jordan was the best ever when I was younger, most of them older... But even then it didn't matter on opinion, people didn't react like this, it wasn't like somebody was surpassing their hero... And honestly that's how people make this whole debate look..

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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24450

                              #12959
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              Originally posted by ehh
                              That GOAT crap wasn't around then so no, thankfully. Plus we weren't quite the jump-to-conclusion society that we are now either.
                              Ehhhhh, Jordan got more than a little bit of shade back in the day. One of the many many things he used as added motivation in his career. This same stuff was there, just not the scale it is now.

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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #12960
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                Ehhhhh, Jordan got more than a little bit of shade back in the day. One of the many many things he used as added motivation in his career. This same stuff was there, just not the scale it is now.
                                Weird as it sounds my dad was always the Dr. J guy. He wouldn't ever let me give Jordan credit because it was always something he'd already saw from the Doc, or things he thought Doc did better.. He eventually would admit Jordan was the best ever, but it took him years.. He was never big on Magic or Bird.. Oddly.

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