Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

[ZB9]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

no one has ever won an NBA championship "on their own"

but 3 times in the history of the league has a superstar won an NBA championship without having another "batman" or another "robin" on their roster

[wheelman990]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

So lets say Lebron averages 27pts 8 ast and 7 reb this upcoming season and wade averages maybe 20 pts. they go to the finals and bron gets finals mvp. would it still have been wades team?

You just arent getting it man. It makes no difference who the MVP is. Sure it will help his image, but it cant change the fact he decided to join Wades team.

Personally I want to see these 3 Ego's together during some losses. Thats whats gonna be interesting to see.

[OG_McNabb]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

I think the best way to define it ( maybe I think of a better) but when you are clearly the go to guy on your team and the seen as the leader. Kobe is clearly the go to guy on their team. Go to guy just doesn't refer to last shot but when your team really needs a bucket throughout the game. There were plenty of other examples to use but Kobe is the best recent one to win a championship.

Maybe I'm taking this post out of context and you were responding to something else. Are you seriously saying Kobe has won a chip on his own? He has Gasol.

Like Lebron said "You look at Game 7 of the Finals between the Lakers and the Celtics, when Kobe Bryant shot 6-for-24 from the field and they still won, because he knew he had help and guys came through for him. I think it's been a long time for all three of us, if we shot 6-for-24 from the field that we still thought we could win a basketball game."

Also I've seen Jordan carry his team in the Finals when his so-called Robin was playing very poorly. Pippen came on later thanks to Mike but Jordan carried them when Pip was younger.

[jstnw89]

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Maybe I'm taking this post out of context and you were responding to something else. Are you seriously saying Kobe has won a chip on his own? He has Gasol.

Like Lebron said "You look at Game 7 of the Finals between the Lakers and the Celtics, when Kobe Bryant shot 6-for-24 from the field and they still won, because he knew he had help and guys came through for him. I think it's been a long time for all three of us, if we shot 6-for-24 from the field that we still thought we could win a basketball game."

Also I've seen Jordan carry his team in the Finals when his so-called Robin was playing very poorly. Pippen came on later thanks to Mike but Jordan carried them when Pip was younger.

Like many have said before the phrase "winning on their own" refers to one player being the alpha male of the team. The guy who elevates that team to a different level. The go to guy when all the chips are down. Sure they have the rest of the team to play with and yes they require the strong number 2 to play with but at the same time they didn't choose to pick a team with another superstar/top 3 player of the NBA and an All-star to secure a chip. Also, Lebron's comment about game 7 has no comparison imo. Like I pretty much just said you want that solid/strong number 2 with a good support from role players not a starting 5 primarily made of people who are number 1 for their former respective teams. (this is just the scenario I would imagine for Lebron if he wanted to cement himself as one of the greatest of all times ... apparently he doesn't and I can't fault him for whatever makes him happy in the end)

[OG_McNabb]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Like many have said before the phrase "winning on their own" refers to one player being the alpha male of the team. The guy who elevates that team to a different level. The go to guy when all the chips are down. Sure they have the rest of the team to play with and yes they require the strong number 2 to play with but at the same time they didn't choose to pick a team with another superstar/top 3 player of the NBA and an All-star to secure a chip. Also, Lebron's comment about game 7 has no comparison imo. Like I pretty much just said you want that solid/strong number 2 with a good support from role players not a starting 5 primarily made of people who are number 1 for their former respective teams. (this is just the scenario I would imagine for Lebron if he wanted to cement himself as one of the greatest of all times ... apparently he doesn't and I can't fault him for whatever makes him happy in the end)

Well if that's the case then I understand, but I dont know of any team that has won a championship without an alpha male.

Oh Detroit but that's about it.......recently at least.

I thought the question was who has done it alone. Like he was just the ONLY person with alot of small-time role players........and all I can think of right now is the Rockets.

[nuckles2k2]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Well if that's the case then I understand, but I dont know of any team that has won a championship without an alpha male.

Oh Detroit but that's about it.......recently at least.

I thought the question was who has done it alone. Like he was just the ONLY person with alot of small-time role players........and all I can think of right now is the Rockets.

Yea it seems like the OP was arguing against something that not many people are talking about. From what I've seen, the majority of folks are disappointed with LBJ fleeing to another team with an established superstar. Most would have liked to see him do it as "the man" on his team, and be the attraction for other players to want to come join him.

I don't know why anyone would say that they want him to do it "alone," because like you've said, most teams that's won a championship in recent history has had an "alpha male" on the team. But look at who they are: Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe, D-Wade, Paul Pierce.

What do all of those guys have in common? They stood their ground and had a contender built around them, they didn't flee to another team to grab a ring. And they're all considered one of the elite players of their generation. LBJ was supposed to also be in that discussion.

Right now this whole situation is still in it's honeymoon period where everyone is so happy and elated because of their new situation. I want to see what James' mindset is 4 years into his stint in M.I.A.

[Jukeman]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

You just arent getting it man. It makes no difference who the MVP is. Sure it will help his image, but it cant change the fact he decided to join Wades team.

Personally I want to see these 3 Ego's together during some losses. Thats whats gonna be interesting to see.

Wade was a free agent too...

I hear what you guys are saying tho....

Put it like this...These 3 player adopted the name "The Super Friends" some may say that the group is Superman's but others may say Batman is the greatest hero of all time...If anything Bosh is "Robin"

Bottom line I just dont see how this will ruin LBJ's "legacy"...

[wwharton]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Damm rookie....get your facts right man. If you want to attack, make sure you're right son.

Clyde joined AFTER the first championship............AFTER......damm. Go read some history about the game.

Easy. You can disagree without going that far. People are getting a bit too heated over this Lebron thing.

Like many have said before the phrase "winning on their own" refers to one player being the alpha male of the team. The guy who elevates that team to a different level. The go to guy when all the chips are down. Sure they have the rest of the team to play with and yes they require the strong number 2 to play with but at the same time they didn't choose to pick a team with another superstar/top 3 player of the NBA and an All-star to secure a chip. Also, Lebron's comment about game 7 has no comparison imo. Like I pretty much just said you want that solid/strong number 2 with a good support from role players not a starting 5 primarily made of people who are number 1 for their former respective teams. (this is just the scenario I would imagine for Lebron if he wanted to cement himself as one of the greatest of all times ... apparently he doesn't and I can't fault him for whatever makes him happy in the end)

On point.

Wade was a free agent too...

I hear what you guys are saying tho....

Put it like this...These 3 player adopted the name "The Super Friends" some may say that the group is Superman's but others may say Batman is the greatest hero of all time...If anything Bosh is "Robin"

Bottom line I just dont see how this will ruin LBJ's "legacy"...

You have to see how far you're stretching to try to make a point. Whether Wade could have gone somewhere else or not, he's the one that's been eating free and having people kiss his feet in Miami for years now. It's HIS town, for at least as long as he wants to stay. The week of him interviewing with other teams didn't change that. It's been his court, his system, coaching staff, GM, etc. Lebron will be adapting to his world.

It doesn't matter what stupid name they want to call themselves. To answer your earlier question, yes, the Celtics are Pierce's team. Garnett makes a point to say it all the time, and when they want the championship, he publicly said Pierce needed to start acting like it if they were going to win. He is the go to player, and that's why I compare Lebron to Garnett alot. Garnett's just built to be a #2. There's nothing wrong with it bc none of us had the illusion that Garnett was going to go down as one of the greatest players ever. HOFer yes, but not on the All Star team of the HOF. It's no big deal that Lebron falls into a #2 either, but we all believed he'd become a #1... and all the self promotion of the same concept just makes this recent move taste even worse. That's why it's ruined his legacy.

Whether he ever reached his enormous potential or not, he's just lowered his ceiling... on purpose.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Easy. You can disagree without going that far. People are getting a bit too heated over this Lebron thing.



On point.



You have to see how far you're stretching to try to make a point. Whether Wade could have gone somewhere else or not, he's the one that's been eating free and having people kiss his feet in Miami for years now. It's HIS town, for at least as long as he wants to stay. The week of him interviewing with other teams didn't change that. It's been his court, his system, coaching staff, GM, etc. Lebron will be adapting to his world.

It doesn't matter what stupid name they want to call themselves. To answer your earlier question, yes, the Celtics are Pierce's team. Garnett makes a point to say it all the time, and when they want the championship, he publicly said Pierce needed to start acting like it if they were going to win. He is the go to player, and that's why I compare Lebron to Garnett alot. Garnett's just built to be a #2. There's nothing wrong with it bc none of us had the illusion that Garnett was going to go down as one of the greatest players ever. HOFer yes, but not on the All Star team of the HOF. It's no big deal that Lebron falls into a #2 either, but we all believed he'd become a #1... and all the self promotion of the same concept just makes this recent move taste even worse. That's why it's ruined his legacy.

Whether he ever reached his enormous potential or not, he's just lowered his ceiling... on purpose.

Couldn't have said it better man. Great post.

[NovaStar]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Easy. You can disagree without going that far. People are getting a bit too heated over this Lebron thing.



On point.



You have to see how far you're stretching to try to make a point. Whether Wade could have gone somewhere else or not, he's the one that's been eating free and having people kiss his feet in Miami for years now. It's HIS town, for at least as long as he wants to stay. The week of him interviewing with other teams didn't change that. It's been his court, his system, coaching staff, GM, etc. Lebron will be adapting to his world.

It doesn't matter what stupid name they want to call themselves. To answer your earlier question, yes, the Celtics are Pierce's team. Garnett makes a point to say it all the time, and when they want the championship, he publicly said Pierce needed to start acting like it if they were going to win. He is the go to player, and that's why I compare Lebron to Garnett alot. Garnett's just built to be a #2. There's nothing wrong with it bc none of us had the illusion that Garnett was going to go down as one of the greatest players ever. HOFer yes, but not on the All Star team of the HOF. It's no big deal that Lebron falls into a #2 either, but we all believed he'd become a #1... and all the self promotion of the same concept just makes this recent move taste even worse. That's why it's ruined his legacy.

Whether he ever reached his enormous potential or not, he's just lowered his ceiling... on purpose.

As usual Wharton on point. If Superman moves to Gotham City, he is in Batman's town.

[Jukeman]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Easy. You can disagree without going that far. People are getting a bit too heated over this Lebron thing.



On point.



You have to see how far you're stretching to try to make a point. Whether Wade could have gone somewhere else or not, he's the one that's been eating free and having people kiss his feet in Miami for years now. It's HIS town, for at least as long as he wants to stay. The week of him interviewing with other teams didn't change that. It's been his court, his system, coaching staff, GM, etc. Lebron will be adapting to his world.

It doesn't matter what stupid name they want to call themselves. To answer your earlier question, yes, the Celtics are Pierce's team. Garnett makes a point to say it all the time, and when they want the championship, he publicly said Pierce needed to start acting like it if they were going to win. He is the go to player, and that's why I compare Lebron to Garnett alot. Garnett's just built to be a #2. There's nothing wrong with it bc none of us had the illusion that Garnett was going to go down as one of the greatest players ever. HOFer yes, but not on the All Star team of the HOF. It's no big deal that Lebron falls into a #2 either, but we all believed he'd become a #1... and all the self promotion of the same concept just makes this recent move taste even worse. That's why it's ruined his legacy.

Whether he ever reached his enormous potential or not, he's just lowered his ceiling... on purpose.

Im not arguing that...How does this taint LBJ's "Legacy" because ESPN broadcasted his decision???

LBJ gave you the illusion that he was going to be the greatest ever? in another thread you said he's not a finisher...There have been many "stat stuffers" in this league...

[wwharton]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Im not arguing that...How does this taint LBJ's "Legacy" because ESPN broadcasted his decision???

LBJ gave you the illusion that he was going to be the greatest ever? in another thread you said he's not a finisher...There have been many "stat stuffers" in this league...

I don't know what you're arguing then when you keep saying Wade was a free agent too. Seriously, that's very very far from a good point.

I didn't say anything about ESPN or the spectacle he decided to create. That's a completely different issue. The accurate way to put it is he's tainted the potential for his legacy. It's possible he would've never reached the level he seemed to be on pace for. It's possible that his career would've been similar to Garnett... that's what everyone seems to have expected from the Cavs for whatever reason. But it was also possible that he was still on pace to lead the Cavs (of all teams) to multiple NBA titles, carving a very special place for himself in the record books. Now, he'll still be a HOFer no matter what, but his "legacy" doesn't have a chance at reaching the potential it had, just by him signing with Miami. Don't really know how else to put it. It's not like his potential legacy is horrible now... it's just nowhere near what it was a week ago.

[Jesus]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

I don't know what you're arguing then when you keep saying Wade was a free agent too. Seriously, that's very very far from a good point.

I didn't say anything about ESPN or the spectacle he decided to create. That's a completely different issue. The accurate way to put it is he's tainted the potential for his legacy. It's possible he would've never reached the level he seemed to be on pace for. It's possible that his career would've been similar to Garnett... that's what everyone seems to have expected from the Cavs for whatever reason. But it was also possible that he was still on pace to lead the Cavs (of all teams) to multiple NBA titles, carving a very special place for himself in the record books. Now, he'll still be a HOFer no matter what, but his "legacy" doesn't have a chance at reaching the potential it had, just by him signing with Miami. Don't really know how else to put it. It's not like his potential legacy is horrible now... it's just nowhere near what it was a week ago.

Someone buy this man a steak.....

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

wwharton droppin knowledge

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Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

wwharton droppin knowledge

Yep he is, Wwharoton is very knowledgeable about the game.

That said, If Lebron doesn't care about a percieved legacy of a so called GOAT I dont know why so many outsiders are either.

Again, as much as people smash on NBA players for being selfish egomaniacs, dont tell me he didnt set all of that aside from doing this.

Yet and still, KG's legacy was fine when he left and went to Boston, and so was Moses Malone who is an all time great legacy has stayed in tact when he left to join up with Dr J.

At this point, I could care less what LeBron did.. I think some of the fans here are making one point after another after another, but you know what, its his career so let him play it out before calling him coward and a joke and all of the names I've seen over the past couple of days because he left Cleveland.

..and no, everyone here is not all about the "the way he did it" situation, alot of people in here seem to have gained an all of a sudden interest in rooting for LeBron to be the GOAT which is a head scratcher