Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

I think alot of people are pissed because he didnt come to there team. The funny thing is I didnt even want the Heat to pick him up. However, I'm not bickering about the isht. I've accepted it and welcome him to the Darkside. Let the Man do what he wants. If it's reign with Miami so be it. Wade for MVP. The Kingpin of the NWO.

Yeah because it has nothing to do with taking a giant dump on the city of Cleveland and stringing everyone along for the last four years about something he decided on four years ago or at the very least at the NBA trade deadline.

Why do people continue to ignore that when it's been said over and over throughout the course of this thread since the decision was made? So basically what you're saying is, if he had held 'The Decision' and stayed with Cleveland, then people like myself would still be "pissed" at LeBron the way everyone is simply because he didn't pick our teams? Vanna can I have a B and an S? It's disppointing that he didn't come here sure, but you think this is the first year a major free agent has turned down the Bulls or Nets or Knicks? Getta outta here with that.

[OG_McNabb]

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Yeah because it has nothing to do with taking a giant dump on the city of Cleveland and stringing everyone along for the last four years about something he decided on four years ago or at the very least at the NBA trade deadline.

Why do people continue to ignore that when it's been said over and over throughout the course of this thread since the decision was made? So basically what you're saying is, if he had held 'The Decision' and stayed with Cleveland, then people like myself would still be "pissed" at LeBron the way everyone is simply because he didn't pick our teams? Vanna can I have a B and an S? It's disppointing that he didn't come here sure, but you think this is the first year a major free agent has turned down the Bulls or Nets or Knicks? Getta outta here with that.

No Doubt......

[Cebby]

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Yeah because it has nothing to do with taking a giant dump on the city of Cleveland and stringing everyone along for the last four years about something he decided on four years ago or at the very least at the NBA trade deadline.

Nobody has cared about the city of Cleveland for 50 years and they didn't start last week.

[OSUFan_88]

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Nobody has cared about the city of Cleveland for 50 years and they didn't start last week.

People in the city of Cleveland care about Cleveland.

[Jukeman]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

People in the city of Cleveland care about Cleveland.

Really???

[OSUFan_88]

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Really???

If he's going to make stupid generalizations, I'm going to make the obvious observation.

[Cebby]

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People in the city of Cleveland care about Cleveland.

You know damn well what I mean.

Cleveland has been dying for half a century and few people outside of Ohio has done much to help it. You aren't convincing me that people wanted Lebron to stay in Cleveland because they care about the people of Cleveland.

People are mad at Lebron because their city didn't get him and the city that did will have a dynasty. Cleveland people fall into the first group.

[Bornindamecca]

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You know damn well what I mean.

Cleveland has been dying for half a century and few people outside of Ohio has done much to help it. You aren't convincing me that people wanted Lebron to stay in Cleveland because they care about the people of Cleveland.

People are mad at Lebron because their city didn't get him and the city that did will have a dynasty. Cleveland people fall into the first group.

You're absolutely wrong about this. I apologize in advance to everyone for abstracting this conversation.

In the example of Lebron leaving Cleveland, Cleveland has lost it's specific meaning--an American working class city--and gained a symbolic meaning: home. Specifically, people look at Cleveland as Lebron's mother, as there's been a very public nurturing relationship between the two. Symbolically, Lebron didn't simply opt out of a contract and leave a team, but rather he abandoned his mother in a very public and disrespectful fashion.

If what you were saying was correct, then people absolutely would not care. There would only be a minority of people looking at how he left the team. Thing is, that's not how people work. People interpret every story they hear not in specifics, but in symbols. When you watch anything from Star Wars, the Matrix, sports or even the news, every element takes on an allegorical relationship. The way the human mind is built, we all interpret things according to the same archetypal symbols shared and understood via the collective consciousness, similar to the way mathematics, musicals scales and color relationships all work universally.

This collective principle of symbolism is the foundation of the manufactured news cycle. Both CNN and ESPN have become very deft at pushing and pulling different figures towards different symbols to elicit a dynamic(read:high and low) spectrum of emotions from their viewers in regards to content that they otherwise wouldn't care about.

This is the whole reason for having a news feed in a bar to see Cleveland's reaction. That's not news. That's not pertinent to how the season will play out next year. It is, however, important for the symbolic meaning of Cleveland in the current news story. The goal was not to inform sports fans about free agency, but to tell(or relay) the story of Lebron leaving his symbolic mother. They wanted to show you a mother's broken heart.

The result is that yes, people absolutely change their opinion of him based on him leaving Cleveland, and the method by which he chose to do it. This principle is reflected in literally every aspect of American news.

[Starlin4Prez]

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You're absolutely wrong about this. I apologize in advance to everyone for abstracting this conversation.

In the example of Lebron leaving Cleveland, Cleveland has lost it's specific meaning--an American working class city--and gained a symbolic meaning: home. Specifically, people look at Cleveland as Lebron's mother, as there's been a very public nurturing relationship between the two. Symbolically, Lebron didn't simply opt out of a contract and leave a team, but rather he abandoned his mother in a very public and disrespectful fashion.

If what you were saying was correct, then people absolutely would not care. There would only be a minority of people looking at how he left the team. Thing is, that's not how people work. People interpret every story they hear not in specifics, but in symbols. When you watch anything from Star Wars, the Matrix, sports or even the news, every element takes on an allegorical relationship. The way the human mind is built, we all interpret things according to the same archetypal symbols shared and understood via the collective consciousness, similar to the way mathematics, musicals scales and color relationships all work universally.

This collective principle of symbolism is the foundation of the manufactured news cycle. Both CNN and ESPN have become very deft at pushing and pulling different figures towards different symbols to elicit a dynamic(read:high and low) spectrum of emotions from their viewers in regards to content that they otherwise wouldn't care about.

This is the whole reason for having a news feed in a bar to see Cleveland's reaction. That's not news. That's not pertinent to how the season will play out next year. It is, however, important for the symbolic meaning of Cleveland in the current news story. The goal was not to inform sports fans about free agency, but to tell(or relay) the story of Lebron leaving his symbolic mother. They wanted to show you a mother's broken heart.

The result is that yes, people absolutely change their opinion of him based on him leaving Cleveland, and the method by which he chose to do it. This principle is reflected in literally every aspect of American news.

All of this. Well said.

[The15thunter]

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You know damn well what I mean.

Cleveland has been dying for half a century and few people outside of Ohio has done much to help it. You aren't convincing me that people wanted Lebron to stay in Cleveland because they care about the people of Cleveland.

People are mad at Lebron because their city didn't get him and the city that did will have a dynasty. Cleveland people fall into the first group.

born is absolutely correct, first of all.

second of all, to say that people are mad at lebron because their city didn't get him isn't true. i'm from baltimore, so my area's team is the wizards, and my favorite team is the lakers. neither team had a chance to get him, but i'm still disappointed in his decision, and it has nothing to do with either of "my teams" title chances (i don't even like the wizards). it has to do with the loss of potential for his legacy, the manner in which he handled himself, and the ramifications this could have in the future.

[mz3v3ry504]

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From "The Decision" Lebron IMO doesn't seem to be concerned with his "legacy" because if he did he would not made the BS excuse that he chose miami because he wanted to win. When you just want to win that means your living in the now and making decisions for the now. But when u actually care about having a legacy you would make decision for now that will reflect well in the future. All this just shows how immature Lebron is on decision making and that he didn't get the right kind of wisdom while making this decision. At the same time he doesn't owe Cleveland anything for leaving. I mean being upset is understandable but burning his jersy is just trifling and classless.

[Cebby]

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You're absolutely wrong about this. I apologize in advance to everyone for abstracting this conversation.

In the example of Lebron leaving Cleveland, Cleveland has lost it's specific meaning--an American working class city--and gained a symbolic meaning: home. Specifically, people look at Cleveland as Lebron's mother, as there's been a very public nurturing relationship between the two. Symbolically, Lebron didn't simply opt out of a contract and leave a team, but rather he abandoned his mother in a very public and disrespectful fashion.

If what you were saying was correct, then people absolutely would not care. There would only be a minority of people looking at how he left the team. Thing is, that's not how people work. People interpret every story they hear not in specifics, but in symbols. When you watch anything from Star Wars, the Matrix, sports or even the news, every element takes on an allegorical relationship. The way the human mind is built, we all interpret things according to the same archetypal symbols shared and understood via the collective consciousness, similar to the way mathematics, musicals scales and color relationships all work universally.

This collective principle of symbolism is the foundation of the manufactured news cycle. Both CNN and ESPN have become very deft at pushing and pulling different figures towards different symbols to elicit a dynamic(read:high and low) spectrum of emotions from their viewers in regards to content that they otherwise wouldn't care about.

This is the whole reason for having a news feed in a bar to see Cleveland's reaction. That's not news. That's not pertinent to how the season will play out next year. It is, however, important for the symbolic meaning of Cleveland in the current news story. The goal was not to inform sports fans about free agency, but to tell(or relay) the story of Lebron leaving his symbolic mother. They wanted to show you a mother's broken heart.

The result is that yes, people absolutely change their opinion of him based on him leaving Cleveland, and the method by which he chose to do it. This principle is reflected in literally every aspect of American news.

The whole post flies out the window when you consider that Lebron was born in Akron, grew up in Akron, lives right outside of Akron, and has "Akron" and Akron's area code tattooed on his arm.

Lebron already has a mother. He has a hometown that he feels strongly connected to.

Neither are Cleveland.

[King_B_Mack]

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The whole post flies out the window when you consider that Lebron was born in Akron, grew up in Akron, lives right outside of Akron, and has "Akron" and Akron's area code tattooed on his arm.

Lebron already has a mother. He has a hometown that he feels strongly connected to.

Neither are Cleveland.

Of course cause tiny little Akron doesn't identify with Cleveland at all. Just like people in Indianapolis couldn't dare have a big time loving relationship with Larry Bird cause French Lick ain't Indianapolis. Seriously dude.

[Bornindamecca]

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Of course cause tiny little Akron doesn't identify with Cleveland at all. Just like people in Indianapolis couldn't dare have a big time loving relationship with Larry Bird cause French Lick ain't Indianapolis. Seriously dude.

Yeah really, nice try Not like Akron has a professional basketball team. Cleveland is Akron's hometown NBA team. Gimme a break. And regardless, that's how it is viewed, and my post was about the perception of Cleveland as a symbol.

[Cebby]

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Of course cause tiny little Akron doesn't identify with Cleveland at all. Just like people in Indianapolis couldn't dare have a big time loving relationship with Larry Bird cause French Lick ain't Indianapolis. Seriously dude.

Yeah really, nice try Not like Akron has a professional basketball team. Cleveland is Akron's hometown NBA team. Gimme a break. And regardless, that's how it is viewed, and my post was about the perception of Cleveland as a symbol.

The Cavs may be the hometown team of Akron, but Cleveland clearly wasn't important to Lebron. He identified with Akron which is I believe about an hour away from Cleveland and told anyone who would ask him that he was from Akron.

The notion that Cleveland "raised" Lebron or was his "mother" is absurd.

He didn't abandon his mother; he left an NBA team that was an hour from his hometown to get a better chance at winning a chip. Reading any more into it than that is crazy.