Colangelo slams Bosh

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

The truth is the truth no matter when you say it.

[Starlin4Prez]

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The thing for me is, if he had these problems and wants me to take him seriously, he should have came out with this at the time. Like Dan Gilbert complaining about LeBron after the fact. If he had such a problem with him quitting and if LeBron was so narcissistic then why did you try so hard to resign him? It may be speaking the truth, and it may be speaking their minds, but it comes off more as whining that the players left them. Would Gilbert and Colangelo have made these comments if LeBron and Bosh had remained in Cleveland and Toronto? There's no way, but the comments remain just as true.

For me, if you have a problem with the player, say something when it means something, not all after the fact because you're upset that they left your team.

Because it is easier for them to make these comments in hindsight and have fuel for the fire. Plus you don't publicly question a player that is supposed to be your star player, especially if you're hoping he'll return.

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Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

So in other words play for me and I love you, leave and Ill talk about you like a dog??

Its hard to see any so called loyalty in that. Thats really 2 faced but hey, its a business right?

[Starlin4Prez]

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Hey didn't say it was right, but doesn't that happen usually all the time? Love them while they're there, hate them when they leave?

[King_B_Mack]

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So now suddenly life is not littered with people that like you and say nice things about you when you're friends only to dish all your dirt after you have a falling out? How is NBA not the top sport, they're all innovative and stuff man.

[DieHardYankee26]

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The truth is the truth no matter when you say it.

Because it is easier for them to make these comments in hindsight and have fuel for the fire. Plus you don't publicly question a player that is supposed to be your star player, especially if you're hoping he'll return.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense to question your star player publicly, and that the truth remains true even after the fact, it's just that, and again I say this is just for me because I'm sure others disagree, these comments don't hold any water with me for the simple fact that they would never have been made if the players stayed. If the comments were so true and they feel so strongly about this, the comments should have been made when the act was being done, as opposed to after the players have left.

To me this is like in a relationship when one party cheats and the other finds out about it. If it's truly that big of a deal, the cheater should have been dealt with at the time of their cheating, either by dumping them or talking to them. If they had such a big problem with Bosh and LeBron's quitting, they should've talked to them at the time, or never have attempted to resign them. All they are doing now is trying to save face.

[Starlin4Prez]

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It started to become a problem when we started giving these players too much power, and held them to high. Organizations have to stop falling in love with players, that's the reason that it gets so personal. They cherish these players, give them whatever they want, cater to them, give them pull in the organization. Teams expect that the player will show some sort of loyalty after all they've done, but they don't care, all they want is money and then these GMs get angry. It is ridiculous. This has been a growing trend in the NBA for some time now. They have to go back to treating these players as replaceable, instead of gods or "Kings".

[King_B_Mack]

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I agree that it wouldn't make sense to question your star player publicly, and that the truth remains true even after the fact, it's just that, and again I say this is just for me because I'm sure others disagree, these comments don't hold any water with me for the simple fact that they would never have been made if the players stayed. If the comments were so true and they feel so strongly about this, the comments should have been made when the act was being done, as opposed to after the players have left.

To me this is like in a relationship when one party cheats and the other finds out about it. If it's truly that big of a deal, the cheater should have been dealt with at the time of their cheating, either by dumping them or talking to them. If they had such a big problem with Bosh and LeBron's quitting, they should've talked to them at the time, or never have attempted to resign them. All they are doing now is trying to save face.

In fairness LeBron didn't actually pick up the phone or call them back after his quitting. Who knows if they didn't talk to Bosh about his since it happened down the final stretch.

[DieHardYankee26]

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It started to become a problem when we started giving these players too much power, and held them to high. Organizations have to stop falling in love with players, that's the reason that it gets so personal. They cherish these players, give them whatever they want, cater to them, give them pull in the organization. Teams expect that the player will show some sort of loyalty after all they've done, but they don't care, all they want is money and then these GMs get angry. It is ridiculous. This has been a growing trend in the NBA for some time now. They have to go back to treating these players as replaceable, instead of gods or "Kings".

This I agree with. In no other sport are players catered to like this, to the point where they have say in roster moves. Players should be treated as such, not as if they run the organization.

In fairness LeBron didn't actually pick up the phone or call them back after his quitting. Who knows if they didn't talk to Bosh about his since it happened down the final stretch.

Fair enough. But even so, if they had these huge problems, they shouldn't have attempted to resign them in the first place.

[Starlin4Prez]

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Yeah, it is getting out of control and this years free-agency is just another example how players have too much control.

I think when Jordan left, is when the primadonna athlete because prominent in the NBA, why that is, I don't know and I can't explain it. I mean Jordan didn't want any part of the front office, just wanted to play basketball, much like every other player in the 90's. Then 2000 hit, and it was all downhill from there. Not sure what the root of all this was, but it has gotten out of hand.

[King_B_Mack]

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Yeah, it is getting out of control and this years free-agency is just another example how players have too much control.

I think when Jordan left, is when the primadonna athlete because prominent in the NBA, why that is, I don't know and I can't explain it. I mean Jordan didn't want any part of the front office, just wanted to play basketball, much like every other player in the 90's. Then 2000 hit, and it was all downhill from there. Not sure what the root of all this was, but it has gotten out of hand.

Let's not go nuts here Starlin. Need I remind you Jordan got Doug Collins fired, was pissed about Oakley being moved and pulled the Bulls' punk card when they wanted to deal Scottie Pippen to get McGrady in the draft back in '97. Don't confuse the Bulls not bending over for his every demand as him not wanting any part of the front office.

[Cebby]

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I think when Jordan left, is when the primadonna athlete because prominent in the NBA, why that is, I don't know and I can't explain it. I mean Jordan didn't want any part of the front office, just wanted to play basketball, much like every other player in the 90's. Then 2000 hit, and it was all downhill from there. Not sure what the root of all this was, but it has gotten out of hand.

Jordan might be the most "primadonna" athlete of all time.

Teams expect that the player will show some sort of loyalty after all they've done, but they don't care, all they want is money

1. All teams want out of a player is money

2. Wade, Lebron, and Bosh clearly didn't care about money over winning. They made the most unselfish move in sports history giving up money and individual glory in their primes to win.

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I wouldnt say they gave up the glory man, because if you win you get recognized, thats the main thing.

The whole business of the NBA has changed so of course athletes motives now are going to be different than in the past...

[Starlin4Prez]

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Need I remind you Jordan got Doug Collins fired, was pissed about Oakley being moved and pulled the Bulls' punk card when they wanted to deal Scottie Pippen to get McGrady in the draft back in '97. Don't confuse the Bulls not bending over for his every demand as him not wanting any part of the front office.<!-- / message -->

The Collins thing I'll give you, but Jordan was upset because for the first 3 years of his career him and Oakley were close, but Jordan didn't create any problems within the front office to stop that from happening. And the Pippen rumors started because of the problems he was causing back in '94-'95 when he was picking and choosing when he wanted to re-enter games. The Bulls also knew that if they got rid of Pippen that Jordan would probably retire, and they wanted to try and make one more run at it. Look what happened.

Jordan might be the most "primadonna" athlete of all time.

False, Jordan began the trend because he was a megastar for what he did on the court. These companies that endorsed him and wanted to leech off of his name, created that "prima donna" persona, now today they do that to anyone who could be the next big thing without accomplishing anything.


Nothing on the court about Jordan was prima donna, he was one of the hardest working players in basketball. Played hurt, played sick etc. These guys get a scratch on their toe and they miss 5-10 games because they want to protect their "brand". It is a joke.

[King_B_Mack]

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2. Wade, Lebron, and Bosh clearly didn't care about money over winning. They made the most unselfish move in sports history giving up money and individual glory in their primes to win.

Can we drop this argument already seriously. They didn't give up anything. Giving up a few million dollars on your deal that you weren't going to see after taxes anyway to play in a state with no taxes and the single biggest party atmosphere in the US is not some great sacrifice for the good of the game/team. Bron and Wade make most they're money off endorsements which they'll have plenty of and more if they're winning and as mentioned it's tax free so they'll see a pretty nice chunk of their salaries anyway. Bosh is in on this simply to build a brand on the backs of those two. If you wanna give up the glory and sacrifice and all this other crap, go to Cleveland and take the same pay cuts, or Toronto or New Jersey or some town no one really WANTS to play in like Memphis or something. That's a sacrifice.

The Collins thing I'll give you, but Jordan was upset because for the first 3 years of his career him and Oakley were close, but Jordan didn't create any problems within the front office to stop that from happening. And the Pippen rumors started because of the problems he was causing back in '94-'95 when he was picking and choosing when he wanted to re-enter games. The Bulls also knew that if they got rid of Pippen that Jordan would probably retire, and they wanted to try and make one more run at it. Look what happened.

False, Jordan began the trend because he was a megastar for what he did on the court. These companies that endorsed him and wanted to leech off of his name, created that "prima donna" persona, now today they do that to anyone who could be the next big thing without accomplishing anything.


Nothing on the court about Jordan was prima donna, he was one of the hardest working players in basketball. Played hurt, played sick etc. These guys get a scratch on their toe and they miss 5-10 games because they want to protect their "brand". It is a joke.

Maybe you can say Oakley didn't cause problems but he definitely made noise about that. The Pippen thing wasn't rumors and Jordan wasn't probably going to retire, they were going to make the move because they wanted McGrady even back then, Jordan told them flat out he'd retire right then and there if they made the move and so it didn't happen. I love GOAT as much as the next Bulls fan, maybe more, but dude definitely wasn't all 'just give me the ball and y'all take care of that stuff.'