Colangelo slams Bosh

[Cebby]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

I doubt most people condone quitting.

I look at the body of work. I look at other stars from past and present to compare.

In a given career most of the time you're going to have moments where fans look at the athlete and accuse them of dogging it.

It's not so much I'm OK with it, it's more so that it's inevitably going to happen and that in the other 90-95% of his career if he gave the team/fans his all.... then the momentary lapses sort of just come with him being human.

Specifically critiquing Bosh's career in Toronto, from my vantage point he's done nothing but do his darn near best to carry a team that had no business doing a damn thing, even winning a playoff series in the East. Him taking a few extra games off to "heal" this past season was perhaps unnecessary but he's done enough for the city to make that call.

That's my view

Bosh quit for maybe a half dozen games.

The Raptors did the equivalent of quitting on Bosh for the rest of the games he played.

[Dewie12]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Bosh is a severely flawed player. The dude is a high post 4. His go to move is a pull up jumper from 15 feet (not an effecient shot).

He is weak defensively. Struggles to guard stronger bigs. Especially physical ones.

There is no reason a player like Bosh shouldn't have led this Raptors team to the playoffs the last two years. I put all of it on him.

Colangelo should be a given a few more years. He tried to put pieces around Bosh but Bosh wasn't good enough.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Bosh is a severely flawed player. The dude is a high post 4. His go to move is a pull up jumper from 15 feet (not an effecient shot).

He is weak defensively. Struggles to guard stronger bigs. Especially physical ones.

There is no reason a player like Bosh shouldn't have led this Raptors team to the playoffs the last two years. I put all of it on him.

Colangelo should be a given a few more years. He tried to put pieces around Bosh but Bosh wasn't good enough.

Did dis dude jus did dis?

You go out of your way to somewhat exaggerate Bosh's shortcomings, all but concluding that he's not really a franchise player and then go on to claim that "a player like that" should have carried his team to the playoffs no questions asked... all his fault.

You're mucking things up a bit and contradicting yourself.

Either way you're not breaking any news and neither is Colangelo. Bosh is at best a Pau Gasol level player. He's going to get you moderate regular season success and maybe even a few playoff births on his own, but that's as far as you're going.

Put him on a team with a more dominant option and I see many more playoff wins.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

That's my view

Bosh quit for maybe a half dozen games.

The Raptors did the equivalent of quitting on Bosh for the rest of the games he played.

The fact that he even quit is by itself a ***** move, regardless of what the team tried to do to help him out.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

The fact that he even quit is by itself a ***** move, regardless of what the team tried to do to help him out.

It is. It just loses it's effect and SMH value when you realize that a majority of athletes have done it in the past and in some cases to a much worse extent when the stakes were much higher cough Kobe cough LeBron

We probably overlook a ton of athletes and their "rehabbing" just because they're not on Bosh's/Kobe's/LBJ's level

[cooldude]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

That's my view

Bosh quit for maybe a half dozen games.

The Raptors did the equivalent of quitting on Bosh for the rest of the games he played.

Why was he quitting in the first place?

And I wouldn't say the Raptors did the equivalent of quitting on Bosh for the rest of the season either.

[Dewie12]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Did dis dude jus did dis?

You go out of your way to somewhat exaggerate Bosh's shortcomings, all but concluding that he's not really a franchise player and then go on to claim that "a player like that" should have carried his team to the playoffs no questions asked... all his fault.

You're mucking things up a bit and contradicting yourself.
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A 20-10 power forward going into his prime should get his team into the playoffs. They progressively got worse the last two years, despite adding players.

He is a flawed player. That is what Colengelo is saying by it being hard to build around. I simply pointed out how it is hard to build around a jump shooting 4 who can't defend physical bigs.

Colengelo tried to put bangers with him. He tried to put shooters next to him. He tried to up the tempo but Bosh's game detracted from that (he is a ball stopper who needs to triple threat, set up to get his shot).

If Bosh is a max player his team should have made the playoffs. The reason they didn't this last year has to be on Bosh.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

1. How many other big men and name them, in the league could have accomplished more with what Bosh had around him

2. When talking about max players you must remember that there are several players who have received the max that don't deserve it. So that discussion is doomed to begin with.

3. We've already established that Bosh is not Tim Duncan. There aren't a whole lot of "franchise guys" out there. You're not saying anything new. We all know he's got some holes in his game and that he's better suited to be a 2nd option.

Out of Amare, Bosh, Boozer, David Lee etc. I'm taking Bosh every time.

Dirk and Duncan and KG were the franchise bigs... outside of that it's a drop off.

[Vince]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

LOL, MLSE spent the money were willing to go over the tax as well. Colangelo executed horribly, but to say the organization quit on him is just reaching and trying to find any argument to condone what a pri-madonna star player did...

[Dewie12]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

1. How many other big men and name them, in the league could have accomplished more with what Bosh had around him

2. When talking about max players you must remember that there are several players who have received the max that don't deserve it. So that discussion is doomed to begin with.

3. We've already established that Bosh is not Tim Duncan. There aren't a whole lot of "franchise guys" out there. You're not saying anything new. We all know he's got some holes in his game and that he's better suited to be a 2nd option.

The point is everyone was jumping on Colangelo. I believe that Bosh was the issue more so than Colangelo. These other issues are exactly what they are. But you can't blame Colangelo for trying to build around a player that isn't a number 1. That is the point we all agree. Chris Bosh is a player you cannot make the playoffs with if he is your best player.

Bosh's shortcomings are exactly why Colangelo and the Raptors failed. I don't know what else Colangelo could have done to help Chris Bosh....he acquired about every type of player to compliment him that he could. Nothing brought any sustained performance.

I think we under-estimate how much Bosh, the best player on the team, effects a team by quitting. Or in the least having one foot already out the door.

[Vince]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Colangelo failed at getting a legit wing player who could take the key shots.

Sorry but unless you are Dirk or Timmeh, you shouldn't be giving the rock to a PF during clutch time.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Uhh no.

Colangelo still did a horribly ineffective job of adding "talent" around Bosh.

In the end it comes down to "it being Toronto" but Colangelo did not do anything positive from drafting to trades to free agency.

He has failed in all three phases.

We both agree Bosh isn't a first option, but that hardly excuses Colangelo from thinking he made impact moves as a GM. He's failed miserably.

It is Toronto though, I give him that.

[Cebby]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Why was he quitting in the first place?

And I wouldn't say the Raptors did the equivalent of quitting on Bosh for the rest of the season either.

LOL, MLSE spent the money were willing to go over the tax as well. Colangelo executed horribly, but to say the organization quit on him is just reaching and trying to find any argument to condone what a pri-madonna star player did...

I didn't say they quit; I said they did the equivalent of quitting by sucking horribly.

[Vince]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Another thing needs to be cleared.

Colangelo stated near the end of the season that around the time of the All-Star break, that is when he suspected that Bosh was hearing things from people saying that he should mentally and physically shut down. At that time the Raptors were in 5th place and playing as well as any team in the East.

So the notion that it doesn't matter that he quit because we weren't going anywhere anyways is invalid.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Another thing needs to be cleared.

Colangelo stated near the end of the season that around the time of the All-Star break, that is when he suspected that Bosh was hearing things from people saying that he should mentally and physically shut down. At that time the Raptors were in 5th place and playing as well as any team in the East.

So the notion that it doesn't matter that he quit because we weren't going anywhere anyways is invalid.

Before and after the break he was producing at a high level.

He missed 7 games during the break with a sprained ankle and then missed the last 6 or so games due to a broken bone in his face.

I'm not seeing why I should be outraged unless I'm a bitter Raptor employee or fan.