Colangelo slams Bosh

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Boy,I love these owners and gms who don't seem to have a problem with these guys quitting when they're on their roster,but the moment they leave town.


If you're not gonna do anything about it when you're signing their paycheck,don't start whining about it when they haul ***.

What I love even more is this logic. So what do they do about it then? If they don't do anything about it and then complain when they leave like we see now, we have people calling them bitter and 'why do you want them anyway if they're so bad' and 'you should have done something about it when they were doing it' yadda yadda. They're getting killed for not doing something sooner. Whereas if they do something about it sooner like say...bench them, low ball them at contract time or trade them for peanuts cause no one is going to give you anything for something you WANT to give away what are they supposed to do when the fans stop coming to the games and start arguing about how stupid they are and how terrible a GM/Owner/Coach a person is for benching/pissing off/getting rid of their best players. They're going to get killed regardless. Double standards are fun! YAY!

[Cebby]

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Ok, making 110 million with no tax, is just about the same if not more than 120 taxed. In Cleveland there would not only be the state tax of 6% but also a city tax of 2%, meaning that 120 million turns into just around the same amount of money. That is what he means. So they didn't take any less than they would of made anyway. So in business and basketball sense, they still got their cash and gave the Heat some flexibility instead of handcuffing them this off-season.

And 120 untaxed is more than 110 untaxed.

They gave up 10 million that they could have kept. If it was only about money they would have gotten 6 year 120 million contracts from Miami.

[HotGarbage]

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What I love even more is this logic. So what do they do about it then? If they don't do anything about it and then complain when they leave like we see now, we have people calling them bitter and 'why do you want them anyway if they're so bad' and 'you should have done something about it when they were doing it' yadda yadda. They're getting killed for not doing something sooner. Whereas if they do something about it sooner like say...bench them, low ball them at contract time or trade them for peanuts cause no one is going to give you anything for something you WANT to give away what are they supposed to do when the fans stop coming to the games and start arguing about how stupid they are and how terrible a GM/Owner/Coach a person is for benching/pissing off/getting rid of their best players. They're going to get killed regardless. Double standards are fun! YAY!

I see where you're coming from.

I don't know,I just don't see the point of blasting them now when you condoned it before. But that's just me.

[SoxFan01605]

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Maybe I wasn't the clearest when explaining. But basically what I meant was don't be fooled by their honorable jesture to take less money when essentially they are still getting a max deal and not limiting the Heat to make more moves.

Yeah, I'm not claiming (as I said before) that this was some noble move or anything. They did leave money on the table in the interest of winning though. They could have all gotten more money in Miami, so the tax free would have still applied.

I just think the jump from "they were all about winning" to "it was all about money" is pushing it. Like I said before (really, we've all said it) the money was going to be there regardless. So obviously the decision was more about something other than money. My guess is playing and winning together.

Now people can question their specific motives as to why they wanted to play together (fear, cockiness...whatever all the theories are) and I'm sure they wouldn't have gone if it was a huge financial hit, but there was no reasonable scenario that had any of them taking a huge financial hit, so the point is moot.

This is all off-topic anyway though.

Colangelo=unprofessional (IMO).

[DieHardYankee26]

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I see where you're coming from.

I don't know,I just don't see the point of blasting them now when you condoned it before. But that's just me.

We're in the same boat. Their words are irrelevant to me because whether it's true or not, they should have done something at the time, as opposed to after the fact.

[HotGarbage]

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We're in the same boat. Their words are irrelevant to me because whether it's true or not, they should have done something at the time, as opposed to after the fact.

Especially when it comes to Chris Bosh,a guy who everybody and their mama knew was getting the hell out of dodge the moment he had a chance to. You know he isn't gonna resign with you,you know he's phoning it in,and still you say nothing.

I'm sorry,I just don't need to hear your whining,Colangelo

[DieHardYankee26]

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Especially when it comes to Chris Bosh,a guy who everybody and their mama knew was getting the hell out of dodge the moment he had a chance to. You know he isn't gonna resign with you,you know he's phoning it in,and still you say nothing.

I'm sorry,I just don't need to hear your whining,Colangelo

I agree 100%.

[wwharton]

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The individual glory would be Lebron being considered "the GOAT" or Bosh winning as "the man". They won't be doing that, and they gave that up to win.



They gave up dollars so that their team could sign Mike Miller and Haslem.

They could have signed for the max in Miami but decided not to.

You can't be the "GOAT" without championships and we both know that if Lebron felt he could get them in Cleveland he wouldn't have left so that part just isn't true. I disagree with Lebron and many disagree with me, but there's nothing "noble" in your example there. As for the money, they could've gave up more and went after Dirk if they wanted to be noble. Basically they saw a way to get the same money they'd get anywhere else and still have room to sign other players. I'm on your side when it comes to it all being about money. Money doesn't have anything to do with it, imo. But I disagree with notion that they sacrificed a ton of change for the good of the team.

The trouble with this comparison (and I know you aren't the one who made the distinction initially, so I'm not jumping on you for it or anything...I'm just quoting for reference to the general premise) is that I am not an executive of a major company that is making such comments/thoughts public, and my family are not my former employees. I think that, in general, any comparisons to personal relationships in these situations is shortsighted (or, in some cases, even somewhat delusional-i.e. the fan to player relationship).

As for the topic in general:

I think the issue is (for me anyway...I won't speak for others) is that if fans, the media, etc are going to ramble on and on about player loyalty, professionalism, class, etc then it's more than a little hypocritical to justify what these owners are doing. If anything, people at the top should be held to a HIGHER standard of professionalism.

I also don't believe for a second that either of these guys would have had the guts to spew such nonsense if their respective players would have left the fans on better terms. They can get away with it because fans are angry and dramatic and will get all "rah rah" behind the notion of betrayal.

So while the truth is always true no matter the context or timing, the pretense is a lie and that is what I take issue with.

I think you're misinterpreting the angle I'm looking at it from. I'm not defending the GMs for what they said. I most definitely hold them to a higher standard AND would think it completely classless to say what Gilbert said even if he was on par with the athletes. Colangelo's statement wasn't so bad but still looks like crying over a situation he helped create.

But even with that said, it's VERY clear to me how either of these men would stick by these players, imperfections and all, yet still be THIS upset when they jump ship. I've seen way too many posts of "If you're that mad why were you trying to resign him?" when applying the logic to many other situations, every one of us would feel the same way. Now the difference is, in the position that these two hold in their organizations, they should THINK that way but not ACT the way they did. But it's really easy to see why they feel the way they do, and it's directly related to them not handling the "issues" sooner.

Especially when it comes to Chris Bosh,a guy who everybody and their mama knew was getting the hell out of dodge the moment he had a chance to. You know he isn't gonna resign with you,you know he's phoning it in,and still you say nothing.

I'm sorry,I just don't need to hear your whining,Colangelo

Should he have cut him? When he was phoning it in or milking injuries in this, his final year of his contract, are you suggesting that Colangelo should've done an interview blasting Bosh? Come on now.

[jeebs9]

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Didn't these guys leave about 30 million on the table?

I don't know about you but thats a lot of money. Yes Wade and Lebron will make the extra money on the side (sneakers and etc etc). But thats still 30 million plus that.

Any of us probably would have taken it...lol "What does a man with a lot of power always want?....More power..." lol

[wwharton]

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Didn't these guys leave about 30 million on the table?

No, it was about 10 mil which amounts to the taxes they'd have to pay if they went anywhere else.

[SoxFan01605]

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I think you're misinterpreting the angle I'm looking at it from. I'm not defending the GMs for what they said. I most definitely hold them to a higher standard AND would think it completely classless to say what Gilbert said even if he was on par with the athletes. Colangelo's statement wasn't so bad but still looks like crying over a situation he helped create.

But even with that said, it's VERY clear to me how either of these men would stick by these players, imperfections and all, yet still be THIS upset when they jump ship. I've seen way too many posts of "If you're that mad why were you trying to resign him?" when applying the logic to many other situations, every one of us would feel the same way. Now the difference is, in the position that these two hold in their organizations, they should THINK that way but not ACT the way they did. But it's really easy to see why they feel the way they do, and it's directly related to them not handling the "issues" sooner.

No we're square. Like I said, I only quoted your post for the family analogy (which I know you were just responding to), because I've seen it used a lot and it doesn't fit...it allows far more emotion than should be expected from the type of relationships these people have.

And I agree about the rationale. Like you said: it's one thing to think a certain way and another to act it out. I have no issue with them letting things slide and then trying to sign them back. I think it's proven to be a move that shoots you in the foot, but it happens all the time and won't stop any time soon.

It's just the fact that he's publicly calling the guy out AFTER the fact. If you ignore it during, then then you are part of the problem...so you come off like an *** when you point fingers in hindsight. Colangelo made his bed and has every right to feel pissed off. He just needs to be an adult and keep the crying at home when it doesn't work out for him...lol.

[jeebs9]

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No, it was about 10 mil which amounts to the taxes they'd have to pay if they went anywhere else.

And no....thats still money they left on the table...taxes or not taxed....Thats a lot of money. LeBron and Bosh signed for 110 Million....When they could of got contracts of up 125 millions...Are you kidding me?


edit: Wade signed for 106 Million

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Colangelo slams Bosh

Bosh quit. Add him to the long list of players who have mailed it in. Nobody is expecting the GM to praise the guy... but Colangelo took it too far.

For Colangelo to sit there and try to infer that he surrounded Chris with adequate support is what really makes him look foolish and ignorant and petty.

"Chris isn't a franchise guy, look at all the pieces I put with him, no matter who it was Chris couldn't do anything with them". Really now? You are a buffoon. You've done nothing nothing nothing nothing since you've taken over Toronto. Nothing.

Like I said, Colangelo can thank Chris exclusively for his Exec of the Year award. There isn't a long list of players who could have won 47 games with that band of misfits.

[King_B_Mack]

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And no....thats still money they left on the table...taxes or not taxed....Thats a lot of money. LeBron and Bosh signed for 110 Million....When they could of got contracts of up 125 millions...Are you kidding me?


edit: Wade signed for 106 Million

LOL so what they wanna frame the checks that say 'Gross Income' 16+ million (don't remember the actual number for max lol). How do you seriously consider 'taxes or no taxes it's a lot of money?' Yeah it's a lot of money, but they're only getting near the exact same amount lol.

[jeebs9]

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LOL so what they wanna frame the checks that say 'Gross Income' 16+ million (don't remember the actual number for max lol). How do you seriously consider 'taxes or no taxes it's a lot of money?' Yeah it's a lot of money, but they're only getting near the exact same amount lol.

You took my post a little too literally...lol I think my point was that when have you ever heard someone say. "I don't want to make too much because I'm going to get taxed too much"....lol Come on are you serious?....