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  • phenom1990
    MVP
    • Mar 2008
    • 4789

    #256
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Originally posted by elprez98
    Exactly. Add Melo and you are still a legit 2 AND big man away from success.
    What is your definition of legit 2? If they had Melo they have guys that can score in Rose and Melo. They would need the guy at the 2 to knock down shots and play defense ( Raja Bell type mold). They wouldn't really need anything above that because the 2 guard would be their 4th or 5th option on offense. They have Boozer already, so they just need to find a big that blocks shots and rebounds because they have a big that can score.
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    • Dice
      Sitting by the door
      • Jul 2002
      • 6627

      #257
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      You just need maybe one more shooter with that group to get out of the East. With either scenario you're just a piece or two away from actually competing for a title. The Bulls as currently constructed can compete in the East and could shock they're way into the Finals considering we still don't know how much Rose has improved yet. With the weapons he has now and another offseason of development under his belt he can explode this season for all we know. They're a legit 2 guard away right now. With no Noah they're a post presence away and still in need of one more shooter to spread the floor.
      Isn't that what Cleveland tried to do for the last couple of years?

      In the NBA, you need superstars. Guys who're going to carry you when the offense breaks down. Haven't we learned from the Scott Skiles Bulls that playing team ball with average players is only going to get you as far as the conference semi-finals?

      Now I know what you thinking, this time around we got Derrick Rose and a post up game in Boozer. Which is true. We are a much better team than we were in the Skiles regime. BUT also understand this, I'm looking at the perspective of the other teams in the East. The East is a lot stronger than it was 4-5 years ago. Now if we were to take this current team back 4-5 years, I say we win the East. BUT the East is a beast now. You still got the Celtics who has one final run in them as contenders. You obviously got the Heat and there monster 3 with Wade-LeBron-Bosh. And notice, the Heat may start Joel Anthony(2ppg, 3 rpg) at center. And no one is sweating them over it. You got Orlando who if they swing another big time free agent to go with Howard, they're definitely in the mix. If they can successfully trade for Chris Paul, put them on the list of teams that's going to be contending for quite some time.

      The contending teams in the East is stacking themselves with talent by the minute. The Bulls need to response.

      Now I'm looking at a report from ESPN that Noah is staying put: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bull...going-anywhere which is fine. I really wanted the Melo deal to go down BUT I also wanted them to sign him to an extension so we won't have to bother with the free agency drama next summer. The purpose of the Melo trade was to keep him here for the rest of his career and not be a rental player.

      And not to say I don't like Noah. I'm glad we're keeping him. BUT if we can get a better player, I'm all for it.
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      • Cebby
        Banned
        • Apr 2005
        • 22327

        #258
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
        The main issue here is what good is it to make it out of the East or just compete with Miami and Orlando, get to the Finals and get dominated by the Lakers with your undersized 5 and no defense/poor rebounding 3 and 4.
        So you'd prefer to just lose in the second round?

        It's significantly easier to find a rebounding and defensive oriented 5 than a great player at the 2 or 3.

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        • elprez98
          MVP
          • Dec 2003
          • 4237

          #259
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Originally posted by Cebby
          So you'd prefer to just lose in the second round?

          It's significantly easier to find a rebounding and defensive oriented 5 than a great player at the 2 or 3.
          And you truly believe Melo gets us out of the 2nd round? So you trade Deng and Noah, 25 points and 18 rebounds for Melo at 28 points and six rebounds. I don't see the upside of that trade.
          Last edited by elprez98; 09-10-2010, 03:44 PM.
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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #260
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            They probably wouldn't get out the second round even with Melo so let's not make it seem it'd be a lock they'd get out with him.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #261
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              They probably wouldn't get out the second round even with Melo so let's not make it seem it'd be a lock they'd get out with him.
              And your probably right. BUT their work on building a championship will be cut in half. Instead they'll be finding the complimentary pieces instead of trying to get another superstar to compliment Rose, which to me is what they now need if they're serious about winning the title.
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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #262
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                They probably wouldn't get out the second round even with Melo so let's not make it seem it'd be a lock they'd get out with him.
                ? Of course it wouldn't be a lock. Nothing is a lock.

                I don't see why they couldn't beat an ever aging Boston nor a newly formed Miami team.

                Orlando still really doesn't strike me as a juggernaut now that Vince is on the fast track downhill.

                The East is relatively open between the four powerhouses: Boston, Miami, Orlando and Chicago.

                Now the current Chicago team, IMO that will be very close but no cigar when battling the other three powerhouses.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #263
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Cebby made it sound like if they had Melo that they'd get out the 2nd round with no problem.

                  And if they get Melo on that current team, they'd still be close but not close enough in terms of how they would rank with the other 3.
                  #RespectTheCulture

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #264
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Cebby made it sound like if they had Melo that they'd get out the 2nd round with no problem.

                    And if they get Melo on that current team, they'd still be close but not close enough in terms of how they would rank with the other 3.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #265
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Originally posted by Cebby
                      So you'd prefer to just lose in the second round?

                      It's significantly easier to find a rebounding and defensive oriented 5 than a great player at the 2 or 3.
                      I don't see how he implied they'd be a lock for anything, other than asking the other guy if he would be satisfied with keeping this team and losing in the second round.

                      With Melo, Cebby is saying they would have a better shot at getting further. Not a lock by any means.

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                      • Cebby
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 22327

                        #266
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        They probably wouldn't get out the second round even with Melo so let's not make it seem it'd be a lock they'd get out with him.
                        They wouldn't be a lock, but as I said, Melo is better than Noah and plays a significantly harder role to fill.

                        And you truly believe Melo gets us out of the 2nd round? So you trade Deng and Noah, 25 points and 18 rebounds for Melo at 28 points and six rebounds. I don't see the upside of that trade.
                        That's not how it works.

                        Using that logic most teams wouldn't trade their benches for Kobe, Lebron, or Durant.

                        25 points and 6 rebounds in 38.2 minutes is far better than 28 and 18 in 68 minutes.

                        The East is relatively open between the four powerhouses: Boston, Miami, Orlando and Chicago.
                        It's not that wide open.

                        There's really no reasonable move the Bulls can make to be as good as the Heat or Lakers, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't improve if they have the opportunity.

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #267
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Yeah that stats logic made no sense.

                          Also the East is relatively open between the three teams at the top. Relative to the West, where I really only see a few outcomes.

                          Chicago is definitely on the outside looking in, like I've already stated. They will be close but no cigar, IMO they are definitely #4 though ahead of Atlanta and MIL.

                          Speaking on this year, between Orlando, Boston and Miami each has a case to come out of the East. I'd consider that "relatively open".

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                          • Stumbleweed
                            Livin' the dream
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 6279

                            #268
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by Cebby
                            That's not how it works.

                            Using that logic most teams wouldn't trade their benches for Kobe, Lebron, or Durant.

                            25 points and 6 rebounds in 38.2 minutes is far better than 28 and 18 in 68 minutes.
                            LOL, yeah, I was waiting for someone to point that out...
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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24450

                              #269
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              How many times has Carmelo been out of the first round of the playoffs again? I think we can all agree that the Denver Nuggets are a significantlybetter team than the Bulls. The Nuggets have had teams since Melo has been there that are almost exactly the type of team that the Bulls would be with Melo under you guys' scenario and they pretty much have nothing to show for it.

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                              • Stumbleweed
                                Livin' the dream
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 6279

                                #270
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                How many times has Carmelo been out of the first round of the playoffs again? I think we can all agree that the Denver Nuggets are a significantlybetter team than the Bulls. The Nuggets have had teams since Melo has been there that are almost exactly the type of team that the Bulls would be with Melo under you guys' scenario and they pretty much have nothing to show for it.
                                Um, no... they've never had a decent low post scorer aside from Melo himself (Boozer is one of the best), they didn't have an elite scoring PG like Rose... This current Chicago team (discounting the possibility of a Noah trade and assuming Deng goes) is better than the Nuggets have ever been personnel-wise. The WCF team in 08-09 over-achieved and had a very easy road there, otherwise they would've probably suffered the same fate as normal and been bounced in the 1st or 2nd round.

                                It's always been Melo surrounded by some capable but not star-level guys. Billups is fairly inefficient and doesn't really create a ton of space for Melo to work since he's mostly a shooter, Iverson was just the opposite in that he took up too much clock and shots, making Melo less useful. Other than that, has there been another star on Denver's teams? Nope... Rose and Boozer are both star-level players, with Rose being an elite player starting this year IMO.

                                Brewer, Gibson, Korver, Kurt Thomas... that's a better bench cast than the Nuggets have had really, they've always had TERRIBLE bench bigs aside from Birdman and nobody to really do much off the bench aside from JR Smith, who is inefficient. When Kleiza and JR were around, that was a nice duo off the bench, but still I'd take Brewer and Korver as a duo over those two...

                                CJ Watson will be a surprise for them, Bogans is decent, and Asik should be a solid backup big. I just don't see how that roster is worse than what Denver has been working with. Nene isn't half the scorer that Boozer is, Noah is one of the best defenders in the league, they have lots of up and coming talents... I dunno... don't see it.

                                If they somehow lost Deng, Gibson, AND Noah, then yeah, that might even things out a bit... I'd still take the Melo-Rose-Boozer trio over any 2 players that Denver has ever paired with Melo in a heartbeat.
                                Last edited by Stumbleweed; 09-10-2010, 05:51 PM.
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