Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[Eman5805]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You expect him to trash NO on air? LeBron was staying in Cleveland to, just ask em.

If you've convinced yourself Paul is going to resign with NO in 2012, I can't help you. He and Melo were already discussing going to New York together,Brooklyn isn't to far off, and Lopez isn't an excellent 3rd piece. Something big is about to happen for the Nets, and in my opinion, Paul will be apart of it.

Who's getting traded to the Nets? Melo. Agency? CAA
Who's FA in 2011? Parker. Agency? CAA
Who's FA in 2012? CP3. Agency? CAA

I've paid a lot of attention to the LeBron thing and not once do I recall him saying he'd stay in Cleveland. He was always evasive giving non-answers. If you can find some article quoting him as saying he wanted to stay in Cleveland, someone please show it to me, cuz I've looked. Ain't found it.

Also, let me in on your inside information. I mean, you clearly know something I don't. They've already discussed it? Where's your source? I'm sure the NBA would want to know too since that's kinda illegal. And by kinda, I mean very.

Unless your source is a comment at a friggin' wedding reception. Cuz then we all know friends make serious career comments while they're giving a toast. "Yeah, I hope you and your wife are going to have a great and happy life together. Cheers. Oh and I want to play with you and Amare in New York. Form our own big 3. We'll talk about it more later. So don't get traded to the Nets or something."

Also, if CAA's big plan is to put all of their clients, in the same conference with each other, thus lessening the chance that they'll get to win it all since they'll have to knock each other out before the Finals...then I'd have to say their plan is flawed.

And what incentive does Parker have to leave the Spurs? He'll never make more money anywhere else and already has several rings. Just to form a superteam? Just cuz he's the same agent?

Richard Hamilton has the same agent, he gonna go to New Jersey too? What about Johnny Flynn or Omri Cappissi too when they get the chance?

Bottom line is for you to be right, Chris Paul is telling a bold faced lie. He could be evasive or flat out not answer that question.

Afraid I'm not a distrusting, cynic like some people. I take people at their word until they give me a reason not to.


So yeah, you don't need to help convince me of something you can't prove, buddy.

[Streets]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

I don't see why the Nets shouldn't be in that 1st group if they get Melo. They have a big with an offensive game, a go to scorer, shooters to stretch the floor and have athleticism off the bench in Outlaw and Williams. I don't see why they can't be listed above the other five teams.

Charlotte is lacking in the 4 and 5 spots. Detroit needs to improve their frontcourt and juggle their perimeter rotation. Philly has a bunch of solid players but not anything great ( the classic 7th or 8th seed). Washington could sneak in this year and so could New York. But I just think with Melo, that the Nets should be better than all of those 5 teams.

1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Magic
4. Bulls
5. Bucks
6. Nets
7. Hawks
8. Bobcats

I don't see NY or Detroit in the top 10. I could see Philly and Indiana (Washington depends on wall) having better records than them.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

NY right now in my eyes is above NJ if I'm making a direct comparison. Felton/Amare are pretty good additions as low as I think of DanPhony and his team.

I don't see why the Nets shouldn't be in that 1st group if they get Melo. They have a big with an offensive game, a go to scorer, shooters to stretch the floor and have athleticism off the bench in Outlaw and Williams. I don't see why they can't be listed above the other five teams.

Charlotte is lacking in the 4 and 5 spots. Detroit needs to improve their frontcourt and juggle their perimeter rotation. Philly has a bunch of solid players but not anything great ( the classic 7th or 8th seed). Washington could sneak in this year and so could New York. But I just think with Melo, that the Nets should be better than all of those 5 teams.

I don't see them as a total lock, they have pretty much a brand new roster. Only player returning is Brook and Williams haha.

It's going to take them a little bit to build some chemistry, at this point I can't really say they're a lock. Especially since teams like NY and CHA both have a core intact in addition to some nice talent.

I would love for the Nets to succeed, I just had some funny convos on other boards with Knick fans who basically are saying the Nets are gutted. I am of the opinion they can definitely make the playoffs.

[Eman5805]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

With Melo, they're pretty much assured to make the post season. 40 wins is more than enough to make the playoffs in the East, and they can swing that many wins.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

With Melo, they're pretty much assured to make the post season. 40 wins is more than enough to make the playoffs in the East, and they can swing that many wins.

Just a feeling, but 40 wins might not be good enough this year in that conference.

I really don't mean to take anything away from the Nets, I just wouldn't assume they make it.

Besides only returning two players, they have a new coach to adjust to as well. I trust that Avery can get them into position though. I like both Morrow and Outlaw, two pretty athletic guys who will bolster their swingman spot.

In fact, I would try to find a trading partner to acquire maybe a backup big man. Morrow/Outlaw/Melo all play sort of the same position and require the ball to be effective.

[SDJHood93]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

What has the NBA come to? This decade's players are all a bunch of little girls who can't win without going to another team with other players like a LeBron James or a Dwayne Wade. So disappointing considering that they are setting a bad example for future NBA players IMO.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

What has the NBA come to? This decade's players are all a bunch of little girls who can't win without going to another team with other players like a LeBron James or a Dwayne Wade. So disappointing considering that they are setting a bad example for future NBA players IMO.

I guess.

But Melo is actually going to a worse team in a conference that's more top heavy than his previous conference..... kinda made it tougher on himself with this trade.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

What has the NBA come to? This decade's players are all a bunch of little girls who can't win without going to another team with other players like a LeBron James or a Dwayne Wade. So disappointing considering that they are setting a bad example for future NBA players IMO.

Because the Lakers have never been stacked....

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Derrick Rose averaged 20 ppg during the regular season in just his second season, he cranked that up to 26 per in the playoffs. Noah averaged 10 and 11 during the regular season, he turned that up to 14 and 13 in the playoffs in just his third year and coming off an injury. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that he can be a 20 ppg scorer inside for the Bulls as he continues to improve? He's not a slouch, he puts in work in the off-season and actually strives to get better and isn't content with what he's done. If we're just looking at Melo's 28 ppg and saying the Bulls will win a championship with him, then there's nothing wrong with my opinion that we can go out and find a scoring 2 guard and be good.

You keep throwing these championships and accomplishments out there Melo's been out of the first round ONCE. If it's all about his 20 ppg and it's as easy as you're making it sound to compete for a championship why the hell has he not done it already? Rose's game isn't even as a facilitator. He's a scoring PG not quite like Allen Iverson was, but close enough that we know how this movie will end. If the Bulls trade Noah for Melo it's championship or bust. If he doesn't win a championship in his first contract here, how do we know he'll stay in Chicago? If he comes here how will he and Derrick Rose get along? How will his arrival impact Rose and Boozer's game? If the Bulls make the move and don't get a championship and it doesn't work out with Melo we're back to where we were with the Baby Bulls, if they don't get Melo and stay with the team they have we still have a solid future with a chance to seriously compete in the next five years at least. I'd rather gamble with that what I'm left with after a loss than the other one.

Furthermore how is it that before this Melo crap came up and the Bulls made they're offseason moves they were the talk of the league, they were going to be good, they were better off and now all of a sudden they balk at trading Noah and we're acting like they won't get out of the first round and have 0% chance to even make it to the ECF?

OK. Derrick Rose is a capable 20 scorer. Maybe I should have asked this question, when was the last time a championship team had a PG leading them in scoring? Try the 1990 Pistons. The game has changed a lot since 20 years ago.

And you keep harping on this 'How many times Melo made it out of the first round?' Yes, and the answer is once. BUT my rhetorical question is how many times did KG make it out of the first round when he was in Minnesota? Same as Melo, ONCE! How many times did Gasol make it out of the first round in Memphis? TRY NONE. And nobody is labeling these two guys losers. But yet, it's Melo's fault that he and his team has to compete year-in and year-out with the Spurs and later on the Lakers. WOW. Sounds like the same situation KG and Gasol was in before.

Well, it looks like your going to get your wish because it's looking like the Nets deal is all but done. I'll say this, I just hope your right and I'm wrong. BUT looking at history, I don't like this one bit.

[Mos1ted]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

I don't want to see Devin Harris go either, but another poster was right in saying that you really don't need an All-Star point guard to win championships in this league. Just take a look at the starting point guards for the NBA Champions from the past 20 years:

2010 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
2009 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
2008 Boston Celtics - Rajon Rondo (wasn't an All-Star caliber player yet)
2006 Miami Heat - Gary Payton (way past his prime at this point)
2003 & 2005 SA Spurs - Tony Parker (wasn't an All-Star yet at this point of his career)
2004 Detroit Pistons - Chauncey Billups (wasn't an All-Star yet during this time)
2000 - 2002 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
1999 Spurs - Avery Johnson
1996 - 1998 Chicago Bulls - Ron Harper
1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets - Kenny Smith
1991 - 1993 Chicago Bulls - John Paxson

In fact, you have to go back to the 1990 Detroit Pistons to find the last time a Hall of Fame point guard won the Finals. In the last 20 seasons, only one team had an All-Star starting point guard and won the championship that season and that was the 2007 San Antonio Spurs.

And with the exceptions of the 2004 Detroit Pistons, the 4 Spurs teams, and the 2008 Boston Celtics , every NBA Champion in the past 20 seasons has had a 25+ PPG scorer (and you could argue that Tim Duncan and Paul Pierce had the same offensive impact as a 25+ guy even if they didn't average that much during their respective championship seasons).

[nuckles2k2]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Apparently, according to Howard Beck of the NY Times, Melo hasn't made that decision yet (as of about 11pm last night.)

But with how advanced talks are it looks likely that he'll be a Net (in my opinion) but I guess the questions of "why would he do that?" hold a little weight since allegedly he's still thinking about it.

The Daily News reported Friday night that Anthony had consented to the trade. A person close to Anthony said that decision had not been made. The person requested anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his relationship with Anthony.

NY Times Article

[J-Clutch1]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

I don't want to see Devin Harris go either, but another poster was right in saying that you really don't need an All-Star point guard to win championships in this league. Just take a look at the starting point guards for the NBA Champions from the past 20 years:

2010 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
2009 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
2008 Boston Celtics - Rajon Rondo (wasn't an All-Star caliber player yet)
2006 Miami Heat - Gary Payton (way past his prime at this point)
2003 & 2005 SA Spurs - Tony Parker (wasn't an All-Star yet at this point of his career)
2004 Detroit Pistons - Chauncey Billups (wasn't an All-Star yet during this time)
2000 - 2002 LA Lakers - Derek Fisher
1999 Spurs - Avery Johnson
1996 - 1998 Chicago Bulls - Ron Harper
1994 - 1995 Houston Rockets - Kenny Smith
1991 - 1993 Chicago Bulls - John Paxson

In fact, you have to go back to the 1990 Detroit Pistons to find the last time a Hall of Fame point guard won the Finals. In the last 20 seasons, only one team had an All-Star starting point guard and won the championship that season and that was the 2007 San Antonio Spurs.

And with the exceptions of the 2004 Detroit Pistons, the 4 Spurs teams, and the 2008 Boston Celtics , every NBA Champion in the past 20 seasons has had a 25+ PPG scorer (and you could argue that Tim Duncan and Paul Pierce had the same offensive impact as a 25+ guy even if they didn't average that much during their respective championship seasons).

Did you know what those teams did need though? They needed great big men.

We only have one that's very close to getting there in Brook Lopez. He and Derrick Favors could have been a great 4-5 tandem.

But that's the thing, "could have been." We don't know if Favors will pan out, so we're trading him based on his potential for a guy who is already proven. It's good that we have Murphy, and hopefully we'll re-sign him as a backup, but I hope we go after a good power forward, maybe go after Horford next year and force Atlanta to be in luxury tax hell.

[nccomicfan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Man, I don't mind giving up Diaw. But, I have always liked DJ. Seems like too much to give up. DJ could really emerge this year in Charlotte, since Felton is no longer in the picture. What if Harris goes down with an injury? We have no one to back him up now.

Deft, we are about to get an All-Star point guard who is an upgrade over anyone this team has ever had.How is that too much when DJ can't even stay in Brown's good graces half the time?

[EWRMETS]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Melo to the Nets makes perfect sense. The Russian is spending more money on marketing than Slouch Dolan and Melo will be the face of the move to Brooklyn.

[EWRMETS]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

And that's all we'll ever be able to do because we'll have no more cap space, no picks, and very few, if any promising young players. I'm disappointed Melo isn't waiting until free agency, but I didn't want to trade for him. If we want to compete for a Championship at some point, we need to develop some young guys into good players. Amare, Melo, Felton, and scrubs is not going to do it.

The idea that the Knicks have more talent than the Nets (even if the Nets trade Favors and Harris) is a joke.