Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[Dice]

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2010 NBA Finals Game 7

Los Angeles Lakers 83

Boston Celtics 79

Top scorers

Kobe Bryant 23 pts

Pau Gasol 19 pts

Ron Artest 20 pts

Kevin Garnett 17 Pts

Paul Pierce 18 pts

Top Rebounders

Kobe Bryant 15 rebs

Pau Gasol 18 rebs

Lamar Odom 7 rebs

Paul Pierce 10 rebs

Kevin Garnett 3 rebs

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying you don't need a big time scorer but a defensive minded team can and has won NBA championships before without a dominating scorer. Like I said I don't trust Rose's offensive output having to play second fiddle to someone. We already saw that movie with Ben Gordon. We've now seen it in the FIBA tournament. Rose needs and WANTS to be the guy. As the guy we saw his game flourish as soon as Gordon was gone. The Bulls as currently constructed are ONE piece away easy to find piece away from competing for championships, with Melo here they are at least one hard to find piece away.

Oh man! Your reaching here.

First of all, rebound should be a third priority behind needing a scorer and playing defense. You want to know a few teams who weren't top ten in rebounding and won the championship? Try these teams: 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, 2005 Spurs and 2004 Pistons just to name a few. The Bulls have been in the top 10 in rebounding for 8 straight years(led the league in rebounding last year and in 2007) and where did that get us? How many championships did we get during that time?

NOW, you want to know in the last 25 years how many championship teams didn't have a guy averaging over 20ppg? Try 4. 2008 Celtics, 2004 Pistons, and the 89-90 Pistons. And Paul Pierce averaged 19.6 PPG in 2008 BUT a career scoring average of 22PPG so technically, he's a 20 ppg scorer, he just didn't do it that year. So I wouldn't be wrong to say that only THREE teams in the last 25 years that didn't have a 20 point scorer on their team. The odds are not stacked in your favor on this one.

And as far as defense, yes, championship teams do need solid defense. They don't need to be the best but at least top ten. BUT why is Carmelo all of a sudden a defensive liability? Is he a great defender? Not really. BUT his 6'8" frame would make up for a lot of mistakes he couldn't make say if he was 6'6" or shorter. At 6'8" that's about the average size of a 3 man, so that shouldn't deter the Bulls defensive philosophy.

These Bulls fans kill me on how Noah is suddenly the next Hakeem Olajuwon. Two years ago, fans was ready to run him out of town. NOW, he's not worth giving up for a top 10 player? Give me a break.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Nets will probably be able to attract a max contract after the upcoming season.

Of course the CP3 buzz will be in full swing by then as well.

So while they're obviously not title contenders this year, they'll have a foundation there. I'd say Nets>Knicks if they got Melo.

Try to look past this year

[BlueNGold]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.

Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.

The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.

However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing a contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.

Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.

ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.

The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

I almost don't see the point in the Nets doing this. If they could get Melo without losing Devin Harris then by all means do it, but they take a step backwards by ditching Devin.

Yes I realize it's the same situation as the Bulls/Noah in that Melo is a Top 5 player and Harris can possibly be replaced, but the difference to me is that the league has become a PG-driven one, and the Bulls would have still had Rose and Boozer to go with Melo. With the Nets, they'd have Lopez and I guess Terrence Williams (who I think will be really good), but Terrence still has to have that breakout year, whereas Rose and Boozer are already established.

Couldn't the Nets just do a straight up trade with Denver that has Favors, a couple 1sts and an expiring or something so they don't lose Harris?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Losing Devin isn't all that bad. They don't need an all-star level point guard to compete for a title. They just need an upgrade for sure. Also like I said, they will probably attract a max player next year or maybe come up with CP3.

So here's how it all breaks down

Nets get: Melo, DJ Augestine
Bobcats get: Devin Harris, Hayes
Jazz get: Diaw, Ross
Nuggets get: AK 47, Favors and a 1st round pick which will be determined by how Golden State finishes the season



Cats get a PG, Jazz get a versatile big man, Nuggets get an expiring contract and two lottery picks [Favors being one of them], and Nets get another potential starting PG to battle with Farmar

Seems like a fair trade on all sides

[King_B_Mack]

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Oh man! Your reaching here.

First of all, rebound should be a third priority behind needing a scorer and playing defense. You want to know a few teams who weren't top ten in rebounding and won the championship? Try these teams: 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, 2005 Spurs and 2004 Pistons just to name a few. The Bulls have been in the top 10 in rebounding for 8 straight years(led the league in rebounding last year and in 2007) and where did that get us? How many championships did we get during that time?

NOW, you want to know in the last 25 years how many championship teams didn't have a guy averaging over 20ppg? Try 4. 2008 Celtics, 2004 Pistons, and the 89-90 Pistons. And Paul Pierce averaged 19.6 PPG in 2008 BUT a career scoring average of 22PPG so technically, he's a 20 ppg scorer, he just didn't do it that year. So I wouldn't be wrong to say that only THREE teams in the last 25 years that didn't have a 20 point scorer on their team. The odds are not stacked in your favor on this one.

And as far as defense, yes, championship teams do need solid defense. They don't need to be the best but at least top ten. BUT why is Carmelo all of a sudden a defensive liability? Is he a great defender? Not really. BUT his 6'8" frame would make up for a lot of mistakes he couldn't make say if he was 6'6" or shorter. At 6'8" that's about the average size of a 3 man, so that shouldn't deter the Bulls defensive philosophy.

These Bulls fans kill me on how Noah is suddenly the next Hakeem Olajuwon. Two years ago, fans was ready to run him out of town. NOW, he's not worth giving up for a top 10 player? Give me a break.

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Okay, you've made your point, you're clearly a smarter Bulls fan than those of us who are not willing to pull the trigger on a Noah deal. You're right, Bulls fans weren't big on Noah after he was drafted and no one believed he could be a big time player in the league. Clearly two years later and seeing the improvement and work put in by the guy to get better, the results that are shown on the court mean absolutely nothing and we should "give you a break" and have the same opinion from then. No one has declared him the next Dream and you are reaching to even suggest that people are saying that. I pretty much gave my reasons and I stand by them. Whether they make a move or not the Bulls are not winning a championship in the next three years. How the hell people have it made up in they're mind that Melo gets you closer to a championship is something that boggles my mind. We've seen time and again in the NBA that just slapping together good players doesn't mean anything. The goal is beating the defending twenty time champion Heat who have guys that excell at scoring inside and we're going to beat them by making our inside defense Kurt Thomas and Carlos Boozer cause Melo can score 28 points. GENIUS!

So just to be clear. What goes down if we make the deal, Noah goes on to Denver and continues on his path to being an All-Star center in the league (which I and many including the Bulls and Nuggets think he is capable of), improves his offesnive game and can put up twenty and ten a season? What happens then if back here in Chicago after about five years or so and we still don't have a championship or Melo doesn't get along with Thibs or something else happens that has him pulling the exact same 'trade me' BS that he's allegedly on right now and is trying to get to NY, what then?

Even better question. If Noah is just a dime a dozen center that's easily replaceable, why is it that a deal from the Bulls that includes him would trump anything the Nets could put together anyway? Why take on Deng's massive contract just to get a dime a dozen player over the pieces you could get out of NJ?

[Dice]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

I almost don't see the point in the Nets doing this. If they could get Melo without losing Devin Harris then by all means do it, but they take a step backwards by ditching Devin.

Yes I realize it's the same situation as the Bulls/Noah in that Melo is a Top 5 player and Harris can possibly be replaced, but the difference to me is that the league has become a PG-driven one, and the Bulls would have still had Rose and Boozer to go with Melo. With the Nets, they'd have Lopez and I guess Terrence Williams (who I think will be really good), but Terrence still has to have that breakout year, whereas Rose and Boozer are already established.

Couldn't the Nets just do a straight up trade with Denver that has Favors, a couple 1sts and an expiring or something so they don't lose Harris?

OH WOW! You are like the total opposite of some Bulls fans. Even though in theory, your still the same. I'll try and explain to you in a difference sense. Yes, it is a PG driven league but out of all those great PG's how many championships among them? Realize this, and I'll keep repeating this until I'm blue in the face, championships are not won by position. They're won on impact players. How many players you have that can impact the outcome of the game and to what degree these player impact the game.

So don't get hung up on position when thinking about building a championship team. Think about the players that impact the game and to what degree. Yes, Harris could be an impact could but he doesn't have the impact that Melo has. And you were right the first time, you can replace Harris much easier than replacing a guy like Melo. If your Nets is serious about winning the title, you better hope they get Melo. And ex is right, just getting Carmelo makes your team better(and closer to winning the title) than the Knicks.

[jth1331]

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Denver's gotta be able to keep one young superstar....right?

I don't like the feeling of the Nuggets trading a future HoFer.

[Dice]

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Okay, you've made your point, you're clearly a smarter Bulls fan than those of us who are not willing to pull the trigger on a Noah deal. You're right, Bulls fans weren't big on Noah after he was drafted and no one believed he could be a big time player in the league. Clearly two years later and seeing the improvement and work put in by the guy to get better, the results that are shown on the court mean absolutely nothing and we should "give you a break" and have the same opinion from then. No one has declared him the next Dream and you are reaching to even suggest that people are saying that. I pretty much gave my reasons and I stand by them. Whether they make a move or not the Bulls are not winning a championship in the next three years. How the hell people have it made up in they're mind that Melo gets you closer to a championship is something that boggles my mind. We've seen time and again in the NBA that just slapping together good players doesn't mean anything. The goal is beating the defending twenty time champion Heat who have guys that excell at scoring inside and we're going to beat them by making our inside defense Kurt Thomas and Carlos Boozer cause Melo can score 28 points. GENIUS!

So just to be clear. What goes down if we make the deal, Noah goes on to Denver and continues on his path to being an All-Star center in the league (which I and many including the Bulls and Nuggets think he is capable of), improves his offesnive game and can put up twenty and ten a season? What happens then if back here in Chicago after about five years or so and we still don't have a championship or Melo doesn't get along with Thibs or something else happens that has him pulling the exact same 'trade me' BS that he's allegedly on right now and is trying to get to NY, what then?

Even better question. If Noah is just a dime a dozen center that's easily replaceable, why is it that a deal from the Bulls that includes him would trump anything the Nets could put together anyway? Why take on Deng's massive contract just to get a dime a dozen player over the pieces you could get out of NJ?

So how does Melo get us closer to a championship? If you read my first response, he's a 20 point scorer. Something that majority of NBA championship teams have. Remember? Only 3 teams in the last 25 years?

And in regards to 'what if's', we cannot deal with that because we don't know what's going to happen. If Noah does to Denver and becomes an all-star center then more power to you. Then me and the Bulls front office will look like dummies. I can take it. BUT the only thing we can go off of is past experiences. And all I know is Carmelo is a three time all-star, been on the 2nd All-NBA team twice and is a 24 ppg scorer. And what has Noah accomplished besides being suspended for disrespecting a coach? Try a career 8 ppg and 8 rpg and no all star appearance and no season accomplishments. THESE ARE FACTS. You decide which one is better. Oh yeah, and as much flack as he gets for not winning a championship, Melo has been to a conference final. How many has Noah went to? And before we even label Melo as a looser because of the lack of championships, how many titles did Kevin Garnett win while he was with the T-Wolves? How many Gasol win in Memphis?

And as far as the deal with the Nets, I guess Denver is going to deal with the Nets because the Bulls are being knuckle-heads for not letting go of Noah. So maybe I was wrong. Maybe they were serious about not trading Noah. I'll tell you this much, once the Nets get Carmelo and they scoop up Chris Paul in the off-season, the Nets would be a lot closer to the championship than the Bulls ever was.

[J-Clutch1]

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Losing Devin isn't all that bad. They don't need an all-star level point guard to compete for a title. They just need an upgrade for sure. Also like I said, they will probably attract a max player next year or maybe come up with CP3.

So here's how it all breaks down

Nets get: Melo, DJ Augestine
Bobcats get: Devin Harris, Hayes
Jazz get: Diaw, Ross
Nuggets get: AK 47, Favors and a 1st round pick which will be determined by how Golden State finishes the season



Cats get a PG, Jazz get a versatile big man, Nuggets get an expiring contract and two lottery picks [Favors being one of them], and Nets get another potential starting PG to battle with Farmar

Seems like a fair trade on all sides

I'd honestly be content with this. I'd hate to see Favors go, but we have Murphy and we'd be getting Melo moving forward.

Then, in the summer, we could attract better point guards and better defenders and backup big men to add to this team.

[Mo]

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This Kobe Bryant all over again. This organzation(Bulls) is a joke.

Gar, and Paxson need to driven out of town for essentially keeping Noah over Melo.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I mean come on, it's Devin freakin Harris.

He's not untradeable by any stretch.

You do that in a heartbeat. It does suck giving up your lottery pick though.

[J-Clutch1]

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I mean come on, it's Devin freakin Harris.

He's not untradeable by any stretch.

You do that in a heartbeat. It does suck giving up your lottery pick though.

Even with Avery Johnson, I agree. Devin Harris could still be injury prone(although he has added some muscle), and make poor decisions in game.

Derrick Favors.. I want to see this guy retire a Net! I honestly feel he'll be a star, but what can you do... at least I know this franchise won't have another 12-70 season.

[J-Clutch1]

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Latest tweet from Woj:

With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want D.J. Augustin. Yet ’Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!

[King_B_Mack]

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So how does Melo get us closer to a championship? If you read my first response, he's a 20 point scorer. Something that majority of NBA championship teams have. Remember? Only 3 teams in the last 25 years?

And in regards to 'what if's', we cannot deal with that because we don't know what's going to happen. If Noah does to Denver and becomes an all-star center then more power to you. Then me and the Bulls front office will look like dummies. I can take it. BUT the only thing we can go off of is past experiences. And all I know is Carmelo is a three time all-star, been on the 2nd All-NBA team twice and is a 24 ppg scorer. And what has Noah accomplished besides being suspended for disrespecting a coach? Try a career 8 ppg and 8 rpg and no all star appearance and no season accomplishments. THESE ARE FACTS. You decide which one is better. Oh yeah, and as much flack as he gets for not winning a championship, Melo has been to a conference final. How many has Noah went to? And before we even label Melo as a looser because of the lack of championships, how many titles did Kevin Garnett win while he was with the T-Wolves? How many Gasol win in Memphis?

And as far as the deal with the Nets, I guess Denver is going to deal with the Nets because the Bulls are being knuckle-heads for not letting go of Noah. So maybe I was wrong. Maybe they were serious about not trading Noah. I'll tell you this much, once the Nets get Carmelo and they scoop up Chris Paul in the off-season, the Nets would be a lot closer to the championship than the Bulls ever was.

Derrick Rose averaged 20 ppg during the regular season in just his second season, he cranked that up to 26 per in the playoffs. Noah averaged 10 and 11 during the regular season, he turned that up to 14 and 13 in the playoffs in just his third year and coming off an injury. Is it really out of the realm of possibilty that he can be a 20 ppg scorer inside for the Bulls as he continues to improve? He's not a slouch, he puts in work in the offseason and actually strives to get better and isn't content with what he's done. If we're just looking at Melo's 28 ppg and saying the Bulls will win a championship with him, then there's nothing wrong with my opinion that we can go out and find a scoring 2 guard and be good.

You keep throwing these championships and accomplishments out there Melo's been out of the first round ONCE. If it's all about his 20 ppg and it's as easy as you're making it sound to compete for a championship why the hell has he not done it already? Rose's game isn't even as a facilitator. He's a scoring PG not quite like Allen Iverson was, but close enough that we know how this movie will end. If the Bulls trade Noah for Melo it's championship or bust. If he doesn't win a championship in his first contract here, how do we know he'll stay in Chicago? If he comes here how will he and Derrick Rose get along? How will his arrival impact Rose and Boozer's game? If the Bulls make the move and don't get a championship and it doesn't work out with Melo we're back to where we were with the Baby Bulls, if they don't get Melo and stay with the team they have we still have a solid future with a chance to seriously compete in the next five years at least. I'd rather gamble with that what I'm left with after a loss than the other one.

Furthermore how is it that before this Melo crap came up and the Bulls made they're offseason moves they were the talk of the league, they were going to be good, they were better off and now all of a sudden they balk at trading Noah and we're acting like they won't get out of the first round and have 0% chance to even make it to the ECF?

[Jukeman]

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I'd keep Noah over Melo

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