Allen Iverson : After the NBA

[Jukeman]

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At age 30, 31 and 32, Allen Iverson had some of the best season of his career.

We're discussing a 35 year old AI...

[Dewie12]

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Not most All Stars.

Might want to go back and see how quick some great players played into their 30's. By 35 90% of them are out of the league.

[Bornindamecca]

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Might want to go back and see how quick some great players played into their 30's. By 35 90% of them are out of the league.

You said thirty, not "into the 30s". Most healthy All Stars are great at 30. But like Jukeman said, it's a moot point because AI didn't fall off at 30, 31.

[Dewie12]

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You said thirty, not "into the 30s". Most healthy All Stars are great at 30. But like Jukeman said, it's a moot point because AI didn't fall off at 30, 31.

I said they hit a wall. They fall off after 30 and usually pretty quick. Not specifically at 30. Athleticism goes away. That is why I said it.

[Bornindamecca]

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I said they hit a wall. They fall off after 30 and usually pretty quick. Not specifically at 30. Athleticism goes away. That is why I said it.

They don't just hit a wall. That's an oversimplification. Most All Stars that are healthy have the combination of physical and mental tools between the ages of 30 and 33. Many championship teams' key players are near or past thirty. The guys who rely solely on athleticism fade fast, but skilled, smart players tend to be quality for a longer time.

[Dewie12]

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They don't just hit a wall. That's an oversimplification. Most All Stars that are healthy have the combination of physical and mental tools between the ages of 30 and 33. Many championship teams' key players are near or past thirty. The guys who rely solely on athleticism fade fast, but skilled, smart players tend to be quality for a longer time.

But the point of me saying they hit the wall is because they are much more likely to get hurt. Garnett, Bird, Mchale, Magic, Hill, McGrady, Shaq, Francis, Pistol Pete, Duncan, Manu, Iverson.....age = missing more games.

Health is the point. It is the only thing stopping the Celtics v. Lakers rematch. It has been this way for years.

The players that are still in the league in their 30's obviously have great skill since most players don't make it to age 30. Then players who used to be stars become role players in their 30's.

I think people forget about all the players that don't make it to their prime in this league.

[Bornindamecca]

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But the point of me saying they hit the wall is because they are much more likely to get hurt. Garnett, Bird, Mchale, Magic, Hill, McGrady, Shaq, Francis, Pistol Pete, Duncan, Manu, Iverson.....age = missing more games.

Health is the point. It is the only thing stopping the Celtics v. Lakers rematch. It has been this way for years.

The players that are still in the league in their 30's obviously have great skill since most players don't make it to age 30. Then players who used to be stars become role players in their 30's.

I think people forget about all the players that don't make it to their prime in this league.

You think people forget a lot, and know a lot less history than you do. Then again, you also think Harden is more talented than Westbrook and Durant, and gets to the rim better than Durant. Hm.

But this debate is silly. Point still stands: most All Stars don't fall off at 30.

[Dewie12]

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You think people forget a lot, and know a lot less history than you do. Then again, you also think Harden is more talented than Westbrook and Durant, and gets to the rim better than Durant. Hm.

But this debate is silly. Point still stands: most All Stars don't fall off at 30.

My point is most players don't make it to 30. Most all stars do fall off in production. I gave you numerous examples of players.

I think everyone forgets that the vast majority of players don't make it to 30. I think a lot of people don't realize that Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Kobe changed their games into their 30's.

No. I think Harden is overall a more complete player than those two. Defensive, passing, off the ball, team player.....which will matter later in their careers. The same reason Grant Hill is playing in the NBA and AI is playing in Turkey.

[dragonyeuw]

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You could tell from the very beginning that when A.I lost his speed, his game would take a major hit. His entire game was based on being faster than anyone else. He has not made the necessary changes to either his game or his mentality, as he still thinks he's 25 years old, to compete in the league. The reality is, Jordan and Kobe remained spectacular dominant forces in their 30's because they had the drive to adapt to their loss of athleticism, by refining and redefining their games. Hell, 40 year old Jordan was still an all-star caliber player, so that just shows you the level of skill and IQ he had.

Iverson, by comparison, is far too small to make the kind of adjustments that MJ/Kobe did. Primarily, their ability to make themselves a postup threat was a compensation for their declining ability to slash and dunk over everyone. Iverson at 5'11, is certainly too small to operate from the post, and no longer has the quickness he once had to separate himself from the defender for his jumpshot.

[jeebs9]

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Were there any highlights from his first game?

[Muzyk23]

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Were there any highlights from his first game?

you mean his FIRST game? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTWeWvCuerY

I think he will be good as soon as he gets into some practice routine

in one of the interviews he said he made millions in Nba, so he can take care of his family etc. etc. I think he has a lot of money..he earned a lot from salaries and from Reebok..definitely couldn't have spent that much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkxFqtre-A&feature=related

[jeebs9]

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Thanks!... I was wondering why no one had not posted anything.

Maybe I should change the thread name to the "Allen Iverson Saga" lol

[threes_co]

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Thanks!... I was wondering why no one had not posted anything.

Maybe I should change the thread name to the "Allen Iverson Saga" lol

How do you change thread titles anyway?

[sb24]

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How do you change thread titles anyway?

You dont, mods do*.

*Exception being within 2 minutes of first posting the thread.

[WTF]

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You do it like that