2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

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  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #496
    Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
    Id have to agree with ex...at the end of the day, I think they get it right...I cant think of a time they flat out bombed on it...

    I think if you write a criteria in stone for the process, you take away much needed flexibility in making the decision...

    Sure the medias all over Rose, but the guys playing great and has overcome alot this season...he deserves every report he gets...
    Hey, by the end of last year Durants coverage was blowing everyone elses out of the water...and they still got it right IMO...so I dont have a problem with the commitee...
    Every year you will have more then one worthy candidate. Not completely blowing it isn't a compliment IMO it's the bare minimal.

    True I agree you can't have anything concrete, but there need to be more consistency in given out the award. As much as I disagree with "Best player on the best team" atleast it's something consistent.
    You looking at the Chair MAN!

    Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #497
      Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

      Yeah I should rephrase that...I dont think theres a year where they picked the wrong player..

      True theres always going to be more tham one canidate...and someone, somewhere isnt going to agree with the decision they make....but I think they get the job done..

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      • BlueNGold
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 21817

        #498
        Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
        Id have to agree with ex...at the end of the day, I think they get it right...I cant think of a time they flat out bombed on it...

        I think if you write a criteria in stone for the process, you take away much needed flexibility in making the decision...

        Sure the medias all over Rose, but the guys playing great and has overcome alot this season...he deserves every report he gets...
        Hey, by the end of last year Durants coverage was blowing everyone elses out of the water...and they still got it right IMO...so I dont have a problem with the commitee...
        I don't know. I think they messed up in '06 and '08.

        In '08 Kobe won when KG completely revitalized the Celtics and made them relevant again, changed the entire culture of that team (remember the whole Ubuntu thing, teammates rushing to help each other up and blocking every shot at their own basket that an opposing player attemped after the whistle?) and took them from the team that had a franchise-record 18 game losing streak and only won 24 games a year ago to a team that won 60 games.

        Also, Chris Paul had the Hornets finish 2nd in the West, 1 game behind the Lakers in a year when the West was absolutely stacked (8 50 win teams) and put up 21/4/11 w/ 2 steals. For comparison, the Lakers starting 5 was Fisher/Kobe/Ariza/Odom/Gasol and the Hornets' was Paul/Morris effing Peterson/Peja/West/Chandler.

        The biggest issue I have is that the year Kobe won the award was the same year he popped off about how he was going to demand a trade because his team was ****, was on cruise control the first couple months of the season, then the Lakers pull the robbery for Gasol and Kobe is suddenly a great teammate and a ****ing saint. That was a joke to me.

        The year Kobe should have won MVP was '06 (sorry Matrix) when he averaged 35/5/4, winning 45 games with a lineup of Smush/Kobe/Odom/Kwame/Mihm (Brian Cook also started 40-something games for them).

        I also think the Dirk MVP was a little questionable, but that's just me.
        Last edited by BlueNGold; 03-26-2011, 05:10 PM.
        Originally posted by bradtxmale
        I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #499
          Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

          Ariza got hurt that year in 2008 so he didn't even get to play that many games with LA and didn't play at all to finish out the season.

          Their starting lineup was mostly Fisher/Kobe/Vlad/Odom/Gasol

          compared to

          CP3/Mo Pete/still relevant and dangerous Peja/West/Chandler

          That's not too shabby for NO's, but people seem to really think that was an undermanned team compared to Kobe's. The starting lineup was straight deadly, it's hard for me to say Kobe's lineup was that much more stacked. Vlad was despicable and his backup Luke Walton was worse. Lamar was still a mental midget also.

          I won't even touch on KG because I don't think it's fair to mention KG's name and not mention the true MVP that year in LeBron James.

          Look at PrettyT's posts about Kobe in 2007-2008 and I think nobody can argue what he said. Nobody got robbed that year.

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          • ZB9
            Hall Of Fame
            • Nov 2004
            • 18387

            #500
            Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

            Originally posted by BlueNGold

            I also think the Dirk MVP was a little questionable, but that's just me.
            who should have won it that year?

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            • BlueNGold
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 21817

              #501
              Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

              Originally posted by ZB9
              who should have won it that year?
              I messed up and was looking at the wrong season for Dirk. I take it back since his MVP year was the year they won 67 games.
              Originally posted by bradtxmale
              I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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              • Bumi
                Banned
                • Sep 2010
                • 967

                #502
                Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                I'm still baffled by the fact that KD isn't even in the discussion.

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                • parker987
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1034

                  #503
                  Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                  omg same, but d rose is in for me
                  Chicago Bulls 1996
                  Dallas Mavericks 2011
                  Boston Celtics 1986
                  2001 Lakers

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                  • TheMatrix31
                    RF
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 52927

                    #504
                    Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold
                    I messed up and was looking at the wrong season for Dirk. I take it back since his MVP year was the year they won 67 games.
                    That year was between Dirk and Nash. Dirk's team won 67 games and he had 50/40/90 and Nash had even better stats that year than his other two MVP years and his team won 61. It was the crazy year with all those long winning streaks for the Suns and the Mavericks. Great year, could have gone either way.

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                    • Po Pimp
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 2251

                      #505
                      Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                      Originally posted by Bumi
                      I'm still baffled by the fact that KD isn't even in the discussion.
                      Because his team is tied for 7th best record in the league (4th seed in the West) and he plays with another dynamic player (not just all star) in Russell Westbrook. Also, I think his team is actually failing to meet preseason expectations, and that has a lot to do with it.

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                      • Evan_OS
                        Go Titans..
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 3456

                        #506
                        Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                        Rose has been a ballin all season, he gets my vote.

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                        • Bumi
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 967

                          #507
                          Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                          Originally posted by Po Pimp
                          Because his team is tied for 7th best record in the league (4th seed in the West) and he plays with another dynamic player (not just all star) in Russell Westbrook. Also, I think his team is actually failing to meet preseason expectations, and that has a lot to do with it.
                          Sans assist(Rose should put up better numbers here, he plays PG), KD's numbers are better across the bored, and he plays in a notably better conference. In fact, considering how well the Thunder have played against Eastern Conference teams, it isn't a stretch to say the Thunder would have 5-6 additional wins if they'd played the Bulls schedule.

                          And are we really going to start knocking players for playing with a dynamic supporting cast? It's a slippery slope to tread, especially considering Rose benefits from similar luxuries, as have previous MVP winners.

                          Also, the Thunder are going to finish with around 55 wins, not exactly a porous season, nor is it something we should be knocking Durant for.

                          The fact is, the media has gifted Rose this MVP, and that's fine with me. However, the idea that Kevin Durant isn't even in the discussion, despite having superior numbers to Rose in nigh every statistical measure of relevance, is a travesty. Seriously.

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                          • BlueNGold
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 21817

                            #508
                            Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                            Originally posted by Bumi
                            Sans assist(Rose should put up better numbers here, he plays PG), KD's numbers are better across the bored, and he plays in a notably better conference. In fact, considering how well the Thunder have played against Eastern Conference teams, it isn't a stretch to say the Thunder would have 5-6 additional wins if they'd played the Bulls schedule.

                            And are we really going to start knocking players for playing with a dynamic supporting cast? It's a slippery slope to tread, especially considering Rose benefits from similar luxuries, as have previous MVP winners.

                            Also, the Thunder are going to finish with around 55 wins, not exactly a porous season, nor is it something we should be knocking Durant for.

                            The fact is, the media has gifted Rose this MVP, and that's fine with me. However, the idea that Kevin Durant isn't even in the discussion, despite having superior numbers to Rose in nigh every statistical measure of relevance, is a travesty. Seriously.
                            Pump the brakes, man. The media might be all over Rose, but he's more than deserved it. You make it sound like the media shouldn't be talking about him as the MVP.

                            You're telling me you expected this Bulls team to be #1 in the East, better than the Celtics and Heat? Rose's starting 2 guard is Keith Bogans, he hasn't had Boozer or Noah on the floor together for any consistent period of time until now, he's been the go-to scorer/closer on that team and has carried it on his shoulders. The Bulls only go as far as he does.

                            Not to mention how much he's improved his game from his first few years in the league until now. When he came in, he was a slasher that you sagged off of and dared him to shoot. Now it's worrisome to even give him space behind the 3 point line.

                            Sure, Durant is great and he belongs in the conversation just like most great players, but to try and make it sound like Rose shouldn't be the MVP is nonsense.
                            Originally posted by bradtxmale
                            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                            • Basketball GURU
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1287

                              #509
                              Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                              Originally posted by Bumi
                              Sans assist(Rose should put up better numbers here, he plays PG), KD's numbers are better across the bored, and he plays in a notably better conference. In fact, considering how well the Thunder have played against Eastern Conference teams, it isn't a stretch to say the Thunder would have 5-6 additional wins if they'd played the Bulls schedule.

                              And are we really going to start knocking players for playing with a dynamic supporting cast? It's a slippery slope to tread, especially considering Rose benefits from similar luxuries, as have previous MVP winners.

                              Also, the Thunder are going to finish with around 55 wins, not exactly a porous season, nor is it something we should be knocking Durant for.

                              The fact is, the media has gifted Rose this MVP, and that's fine with me. However, the idea that Kevin Durant isn't even in the discussion, despite having superior numbers to Rose in nigh every statistical measure of relevance, is a travesty. Seriously.
                              KD numbers are better across the board? Their numbers are not that far off. Kd is putting up 28-7-3 while Rose is doing 25-4-8. Nobody knows for sure how both teams will play in a different conference, both teams are playing pretty good now.
                              Of course Kd is still in the MVP discussion, didn't "the media" anoint him the MVP favorite earlier in the season?

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                              • TheMatrix31
                                RF
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 52927

                                #510
                                Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                                Rose hasn't been "gifted" ****. Dude just had 30 and 17 last night and closed YET ANOTHER game.

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