What ever happened to it being a mans game?

[BATMON]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Reading is fundamental. It's not my fault you and those who thump their chest about them can't substantiate them through actual measurables.

Oh, and Mitch Richmond has a ring.

Your "actual measurables" are narrow and revisionist.

[NINJAK2]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

IMO, in any era, that Bynum play is bush league and ejection and suspension is warranted. As a Laker fan I like to see Andrew being aggressive and challenging all comers at the rim, but there is no place for that kind of cheap shot.

I grew up on the 80's ball and was an adult by the time the 90's rolled around, but when see replays or clips of a lot of the games back then I am very glad that they outlawed all that cheap play.

Real defense is quick feet, anticipation, ball denial, studying tendencies, funneling, quick/early help and sometimes meeting a guy at the rim chest to chest with hard contact being made while you're playing the ball.

Shoving or forearming a guy while he's in the air or steering a player with your hand while he's dribbling is not basketball, IMO.

Co-sign completely. The fact that Phil Jackson said since Beasely didn't miss any games the league over-reacted in a sense. That logic is flawed imo. Just because Mike was fortunate enough to not get hurt doesn't make the act less deplorable. It is odd that Bynum gave Crash a collapsed lung on another hard foul a few years back and suffered no penalties.

[redcedarrevenge]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Your "actual measurables" are narrow and revisionist.

It isn't revisionist to see the New York Knicks for what they were; a slap fighting, chippy team that couldn't clutch up when it mattered most. One time Eastern Conference Champions. Nothing else. I'm sorry this revelation completely devalues your construction of NBA history and the teams that actually left an imprint upon it.

[BATMON]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

It isn't revisionist to see the New York Knicks for what they were; a slap fighting, chippy team that couldn't clutch up when it mattered most. One time Eastern Conference Champions. Nothing else. I'm sorry this revelation completely devalues your construction of NBA history and the teams that actually left an imprint upon it.

Feel free to add

The Trailblazers,Magic, Jazz,Pacers, And Suns to your "All Or Doesnt Matter" History of the NBA.

[Jeffx]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

One time Eastern Conference Champions. Nothing else.

Two-time Eastern Conference Champions

[BATMON]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Two-time Eastern Conference Champions

Not an "actual measurable".

[ZB9]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

That doesn't really disprove his point, which is true. In the 80's defense was optional for many teams around the league. Then the Bad Boys came, the Jordan Rules, etc. The coaches and players decided to take it up a notch which (along with some other factors with how guys were working on fundamentals) started bringing scoring down, especially in the playoffs. That's when the league started changing the rules to get scoring back up.

Scoring is still not up as far as it was then. When the Lakers and Celtics played each other for the NBA title in the mid 80s, both teams gave up over 100 points a game on defense (you will not see that now). Was it "a mans game" then?

[BATMON]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Scoring is still not up as far as it was then. When the Lakers and Celtics played each other for the NBA title in the mid 80s, both teams gave up over 100 points a game on defense (you will not see that now). Was it "a mans game" then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyErHb8uck

hmmmm??

[ZB9]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ


hmmmm??

The final score of that game was 129-125

So playing defense isnt what you mean by "man's game"? Clothes-lining someone makes it a "man's game'? If being physical or taking cheap shots is what determines what is a "man's game", then NBA is far behind the NFL and NHL when it comes to being a "man's game"...

(btw, personally, I think it was a "man's game" back then, probably for different reasons than you do though, and I also think it's a "man's game" now)

[wwharton]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

The final score of that game was 129-125

So playing defense isnt what you mean by "man's game"? Clothes-lining someone makes it a "man's game'? If being physical or taking cheap shots is what determines what is a "man's game", then NBA is far behind the NFL and NHL when it comes to being a "man's game"...

(btw, personally, I think it was a "man's game" back then, probably for different reasons than you do though, and I also think it's a "man's game" now)

Completely different point (this one I agree with)

[The15thunter]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

both versions are a man's game. both versions have elements of them that are not particularly "manly", as well. just because they are different does not mean they are not equally man-full.

[kingkilla56]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

So are we arguing "manlyness" or are we arguing the supposed drop of quality defense? Because one is a social construct while the other actually has to do with sports....just saying.

[redcedarrevenge]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Two-time Eastern Conference Champions

Sorry, Pat Riley's Knicks only won the East once.

And, BATMON's hilarious. I never knew back to back eastern conference crowns by the New Jersey Nets mattered as much as it did until now!

This thread is lame. Bunch of 90s honks trying to live on childhood construction rather than measurables or proof about how the game changed because they can't do it. Every single good team in that era deserves the credit reserved only for NBA Champions. 83 Sixers? Pfft. Couldn't even touch the likes of the Pat Riley New York Knicks because they bumped into guys. Can't even touch the Van Gundy Knicks because there's this GIF file of Chris Childs slap fighting with Kobe Bryant and it's so cool even though Childs throws glancing shots with a curved back as if he were a junk-in-the-trunk-loaded woman. They took the Bulls to six games guys! Nobody else can say that.

[redcedarrevenge]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

So are we arguing "manlyness" or are we arguing the supposed drop of quality defense? Because one is a social construct while the other actually has to do with sports....just saying.

They are arguing manliness because measurables for defense have nothing to do with the construction of eight-year-olds that the game they watched then is significantly better in all facets and forms than it is now.

In the early 2000's, when games were more defense oriented, it was because the stars of the 90's weren't around and offenses suffered as a result. The league was second tier. The later you get, the more offensive numbers and the crispness of the game improves, the argument shifts from 90's star offensive output to "they don't play physical defense like they did in the 90's, so that negates everything because so and so would've scored fifty-five a game in this NBA". Suddenly, it isn't about Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing as to why the game is suffering; it's because the NBA doesn't have enough Charles Oakley's or Anthony Mason's or Horace Grant's...you know, guys who are, at best, glue pieces to a contender and, when put up as individuals, were unable to be focal points of teams. It's just some dimwitted way of saying "THE GAME WAS BETTER, MAN" without actually having to justify it in any way.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: What ever happened to it being a mans game?

Sorry, Pat Riley's Knicks only won the East once.

And, BATMON's hilarious. I never knew back to back eastern conference crowns by the New Jersey Nets mattered as much as it did until now!

This thread is lame. Bunch of 90s honks trying to live on childhood construction rather than measurables or proof about how the game changed because they can't do it. Every single good team in that era deserves the credit reserved only for NBA Champions. 83 Sixers? Pfft. Couldn't even touch the likes of the Pat Riley New York Knicks because they bumped into guys. Can't even touch the Van Gundy Knicks because there's this GIF file of Chris Childs slap fighting with Kobe Bryant and it's so cool even though Childs throws glancing shots with a curved back as if he were a junk-in-the-trunk-loaded woman. They took the Bulls to six games guys! Nobody else can say that.

Hey hey HEY!

You watch it now....it matters to me dammit