CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[da ThRONe]

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1. WTF is this fairness stuff? You and I both know there is no such thing as "fairness" in Sports, especially in the NBA.

2. The number of playoff teams is not nor has it been a problem at all. You never here anyone say "Man there's too many teams in the playoffs". If you're going to cut down teams then you might as well go the Baseball route but now they're trying to add MORE teams to the playoffs. The only thing I'd change is to have the 1st round go back to a 5 game format.

I think the symmetry would allow for things like fantasy basketball leagues to run smoother. Not sure how they work, but if it's anything like fantasy football it needs symmetry to get the most out of it.

I've heard complaints about the amount of playoff teams mostly because it farther devalues the regular season. I was thinking about having 7teams per conferences make it to the post season. The #1 seed in each conference receiving a bye. Also maybe a post. season format of
round 1 best of 3 1-1-1
round 2 best of 5 2-2-1
Rounds 3 and 4 best of 7 2-2-1-1-1

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Fantasy Basketball? Really? Really?? Come on now, that's probably the most useless thing the NBA has going for it right now since it's probably not even generating the amount of $$$ Fantasy Football and Baseball make.

The season would literally end by no later than Memorial Day, which basically means people would have to wait until February to see Pro Ball again(using your idea to cut games). So we'd really only get 4 months of Basketball.

[Jm0ney2001]

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There is nothing wrong with the 82 game, 16 team playoffs, best of 7 throughout. The problem is overpaid players in an economy that doesn't want to spend money to see a live bball game. I think the nba does fine for tv too, bc you can watch the nba just about every night, between local, coverage and the espn, tnt, abc brothers. What's going to happen will be exactly like 99, the players will cave as soon as they realize they need their paychecks. Well have a reduced season this year but next year it will be back to 82 games.

I don't want to attack a poster but the shortened nba season and cutting of p.o. Teams is just silly and not necessary.

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This cutting games stuff is still going on?


Good Lord that is not even the issue at hand here

Man you're out of focus

[da ThRONe]

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Fantasy Basketball? Really? Really?? Come on now, that's probably the most useless thing the NBA has going for it right now since it's probably not even generating the amount of $$$ Fantasy Football and Baseball make.

The season would literally end by no later than Memorial Day, which basically means people would have to wait until February to see Pro Ball again(using your idea to cut games). So we'd really only get 4 months of Basketball.

I think fantasy sports are mega lame. I'm in a FF league for the first time because my best friend asked me to try it and he needed people for a league he started. But you can't deny the potential it has to generate revenue and bring people into the sport.

Speaking for myself. I rather 4 months of a sport that I feel operates at it's maximum every night. Then a sport that's 7 months, but its harder to follow, guys aren't giving their all, where guys don't ever see their full potential, key guys are out a lot, and I usually only watch about 4 months worth anyways(although the older I get the more that's likely to change).

[da ThRONe]

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This cutting games stuff is still going on?


Good Lord that is not even the issue at hand here

Man you're out of focus

You are so wrong. If the issue is revenue then it is so IN focus.

As I illustrate earlier basketball earning is heavily dependent on attendance. While football depends on attendance for a quarter of it's revenue. The point of reducing games is to give the season a sense of urgency thus raising profits via tv at the expense of attendance. You have made it clear you don't agree, but its definitely on topic.

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No I dont agree

No one here agrees

The NBA doesnt agree

The players arent even talking about this


You've manufactured something out of thin air and have been force posting it all summer

Let it go, its NOT going to happen. There is no reason to continue talking about this fantasy

[da ThRONe]

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No I dont agree

This is your opinion. You could just as easily not pay me or the subject any mind. I wrote a long post about what I like to see in the CBA. Out if everything I posted some people chose to highlight the part about reducing the season.

No one here agrees

This isn't true. There are people here who agree.

The NBA doesnt agree

That doesn't make reducing the schedule a bad idea because it's not on their radar.

The players arent even talking about this

Not sure where the NBPA is on this subject, but there are players who have said they are in favor of a shorten season.

You've manufactured something out of thin air and have been force posting it all summer

Does it matter where the idea came from? I did some searching in there are articles as early as 94 that suggest the very samething.

Let it go, its NOT going to happen. There is no reason to continue talking about this fantasy

Once again if this isn't a subject that interest you why not pay it any attention? I don't think it's a fantasy. I think it's the only way this league can expand financially immediately.

As I pointed out the big money is in tv and 82 game IMO isn't condusive to max ratings. Attendance is only a fourth of the NFL's total income. While attendance is more than half of the NBA's total income. I added to my agruement with stats that would support the idea that there's more money in lessening the sport.

[WTF]

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Perhaps I'm a little late to this discussion, but if they decrease the number of games, then the television contracts won't be nearly as lucrative either, because they're getting paid for less games.

I just don't see it man. That's your argument and that's fine, but I'm not seeing anyone else chiming in supporting it either.

Yes, it "may" increase attendance, but I really don't think that it would. You'll have the same guys who attend every game that will be there, and those who attend a game here and there, there's no guarantee that they'll attend any more games than they normally would.

I just don't see anything supporting the notion that this would be good for the league.

[da ThRONe]

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Perhaps I'm a little late to this discussion, but if they decrease the number of games, then the television contracts won't be nearly as lucrative either, because they're getting paid for less games.

I just don't see it man. That's your argument and that's fine, but I'm not seeing anyone else chiming in supporting it either.

Yes, it "may" increase attendance, but I really don't think that it would. You'll have the same guys who attend every game that will be there, and those who attend a game here and there, there's no guarantee that they'll attend any more games than they normally would.

I just don't see anything supporting the notion that this would be good for the league.

The goal would be increase revenue through more lucrative tv deal. My point for posting the difference in revenue between the NFL and NBA was to illustrate that more viewing opportunities does not equal more money. That a league that centers around attendance is a league who's growth potential is limited. 5years of a a significant spike in ratings would lead to way more revenue while maximizing attendance would he better for the league.

[wwharton]

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I think fantasy sports are mega lame. I'm in a FF league for the first time because my best friend asked me to try it and he needed people for a league he started. But you can't deny the potential it has to generate revenue and bring people into the sport.

Speaking for myself. I rather 4 months of a sport that I feel operates at it's maximum every night. Then a sport that's 7 months, but its harder to follow, guys aren't giving their all, where guys don't ever see their full potential, key guys are out a lot, and I usually only watch about 4 months worth anyways(although the older I get the more that's likely to change).

Anyone else see the irony in calling anything "mega lame"? Do people really say that?

How can you even try to use something for your argument that you clearly don't understand? I play all fantasy sports and love every one. But I can confirm that fanatsy basketball is BY FAR the least popular... always has been and always will be (unless we start including hockey and golf). Baseball is stats driven and roto baseball was big looooong before the fantasy sports craze started. Football is built for fantasy sports, which is why it's skyrocketed ever since someone decided to try the roto thing with football and it morphed to head to head, and all the other options out there now. Basketball isn't a blip on the radar... even if it's not "mega lame" as the cool kids are saying these days.

[Dice]

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A high level meeting scheduled for next week with just David Stern, Adam Silver, Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher. Spurs owner Pete Holt could possibly attending as well. I guess they took the advice I suggested to heart in regards to not having 100 people in the room negotiating a deal. HOWEVER, having those people in the room is even detrimental to a deal getting done. All those guys are either the reason why we have a lockout OR they're the reason why they continue to have a lockout. I'd be shock if the two sides gets an inch closer to finding a common ground.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/31541197

[King_B_Mack]

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The goal would be increase revenue through more lucrative tv deal. My point for posting the difference in revenue between the NFL and NBA was to illustrate that more viewing opportunities does not equal more money. That a league that centers around attendance is a league who's growth potential is limited. 5years of a a significant spike in ratings would lead to way more revenue while maximizing attendance would he better for the league.

The NBA isn't going to cut 20 something games from it's schedule and somehow get a more lucrative tv deal out of it. The Lakers just signed a new local deal that's worth billions of dollars. I highly doubt they get a deal like that starting the season in friggin February playing twice a week. When are we going to stop trying to take what works for the NFL and throwing it on other leagues. The NFL gets things to work cause they can only play 14-16 games a year and even they want to add more to that cause it means more money.

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I wont stop going against this because you continue to post the same idea over and over

Its NOT going to happen, and thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

[yankeesgiants]

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The goal would be increase revenue through more lucrative tv deal. My point for posting the difference in revenue between the NFL and NBA was to illustrate that more viewing opportunities does not equal more money. That a league that centers around attendance is a league who's growth potential is limited. 5years of a a significant spike in ratings would lead to way more revenue while maximizing attendance would he better for the league.

Except a TV exec would point out the following to you.

1. Football is made for TV. The networks figured this out in 1958.

2. Roughly half of footballs audience is there strickly for gambling & Fantasy sports.

3. The NBA has been on a TV model since signed it's first deal to televise live games on the USA Network in 1982.

4. basketball was never as popular as you think on TV. 15-18% of TV households watched Jordan's NFL finals run in the 90's. regular season games on NBC were around 5%. The Magic Bird era was 3% for regular season games and 13-15% for the finals on CBS.

4. The league that plays 162 and the other league that plays 84 games have seen there rating rise since the beginning of the decade. Golf and Nascar as well. The only sports in free fall are Basketball & pro wrestling.

5. If you were to pit Kobe/Lebron game 7 in the finals vs the finale of the batchelor. The Batcelor would win by no less then a 3-1 margin. Why? Because male 18-34 demo left primetime network a decade ago. Primetime belongs to women. Olympic coverage is a perfect example of this.

6. Hardcore sports fans hate this generation of players personally and professionally as well as the style of play.

7. College basketball has cratered as well. It only gains steam in the tourny and that is because of gambling.