CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

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I really dont believe it unless I can really get a credible source, but at the same time... owners cant be involved in a contract with someone else

They cant just call up Tmobile and say hey, you need to pay us half of Dwyane Wade's contract with you

Thats just common sense.. all of this stuff coming into the media is a bunch of posturing from both sides

THAT SAID...they could prevent them from using anything related to their team including unis, video clips from games, etc... in those endorsments

[WTF]

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Yeah, it could get pretty ugly. I mean, a lot of their commercials don't use team unis, clips, etc, but then again, there are a lot that do.

The two sides need to get together, stop the posturing... and get a deal done instead of waiting it out, making everyone lose.

[da ThRONe]

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Yeah, it could get pretty ugly. I mean, a lot of their commercials don't use team unis, clips, etc, but then again, there are a lot that do.

The two sides need to get together, stop the posturing... and get a deal done instead of waiting it out, making everyone lose.

Once again I don't think the owners are serious about this. This is their version of going overseas. Just a move for negotiating purposes. If the majority of owners are operating anywhere near the red the players have to realize they are in a losing position. They can't wait the owners out.

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As stated they're both doing this stuff and occassionally will leak something out to the public for whatever reason, remember these are all business people, including players and agents, etc...

You know how that is, its not necessarily personal, but as David Stern has turned this nba into... "its a business"

The main thing involved here is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Always remember that.... while fans are looking at logic...those two sides are looking at whats beneficial for them $$$ wise. That stuff (and i can tell you working in the corporate world for over a decade) NEVER is done with common logic as the guide

[Dice]

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I don't know. I think it's a pretty strong negotiating tactic. If the owner's don't employee the players, then the players don't have the vehicle to showcase their talents to get the endorsement deals.

The owners/NBA execs work on the tv deals, and get the other Business Revenue projects rolling. The players don't take part in all of that business, yet they get a cut. They're the "talent" that the product showcases, the passenger in the "vehicle" so to speak.

So should the players get part of the tv deals etc that the league generates? If so, then why not vice versa?

I don't agree with it at all for what it's worth... just playing devil's advocate. If they want to get dirty, and not come to the table and try to work things out, to get this issue resolved, then the owners have more ammo than the players could hope to have in my eyes.

I think the players have more power than we think they have. The problem with the players is that, they don’t realize the power they have in this war. And I call it a war now because they way both sides are throwing barbs at each other in the media is basically escalated into warfare tactics.

Another problem with the players is they don’t realize that the owners have already declared war on them. The players are in this mode where they say they want to negotiate BUT then waste everybody’s time with telling everybody ‘how unfair the owners’ proposal is.’ No **** Sherlock! The owners aren’t talking anymore, they’re fighting. And the players need to take a position of being real and sincere for negotiations OR just ****ing punch the owners in the face and just make it bloody. Stop straddling the line and choose a side.

One more problem with the players against the owners is the basic dis-unity they have amongst themselves. Despite the fact that the big market owners and the small market owners might not get along amongst their circle, when it comes to this issue of the CBA they’ll still be unified with each other. I just don’t see the players in the NBAPA doing that when their backs are against the wall. The Major League Baseball Players Union has probably the strongest pro sports union amongst the major North American professional sports. Why? Because they unify when their backs are against the wall. You take a look at their record against the owners and they’ve whipped the owners on each count. Take a look at the strike back in 1994. Owners was going to lock out the players that next year if they didn’t agree to a salary cap for the next CBA. With that the players basically said, ‘**** YOU, we’re walking out!’ Now did this hurt the player’s reputation? Of course it did. But guess what... there is still no salary cap in baseball. Look at the steroid situation. Even in that instance when the players were flat out wrong, they still had each others backs by protecting themselves. Even though steroids, which is legal to take without a prescription, was known to be used by major league baseball players but it took baseball some years to ratify steroids into the substance abuse policy. And when it initially started, it was weak. They beefed it up now BUT how long did it take? That was the MLBPA who held it up

What I’m trying to say that, we all know that the players will probably lose this battle. However, it’s not because they don’t have leverage. They have leverage, it’s just a matter of working together as a unit and how you use it. Remember, wars aren’t won on how much ammo and weapons you have, it’s how you use it is the key.

[Dice]

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I really dont believe it unless I can really get a credible source, but at the same time... owners cant be involved in a contract with someone else

Well, even though the quote was anonymous it is reported by David Aldrige. Who I believe wouldn't report it if it wasn't told to him.

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Man they're all rich so honestly, they're all in the same circle

To the average person it all seems like a bunch of hogwash, especially the folks in the offices laid off of their average salary jobs because of this mess

I cannot see myself defending something that Spreewell got blasted for some years back, now these guys are doing the exact same thing

If you cant survive off of 32 million instead of 35 then the problem is in you

I just used that number because thats just going on without 10% of a personal salary...

[da ThRONe]

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I think the players have more power than we think they have. The problem with the players is that, they don’t realize the power they have in this war. And I call it a war now because they way both sides are throwing barbs at each other in the media is basically escalated into warfare tactics.

Another problem with the players is they don’t realize that the owners have already declared war on them. The players are in this mode where they say they want to negotiate BUT then waste everybody’s time with telling everybody ‘how unfair the owners’ proposal is.’ No **** Sherlock! The owners aren’t talking anymore, they’re fighting. And the players need to take a position of being real and sincere for negotiations OR just ****ing punch the owners in the face and just make it bloody. Stop straddling the line and choose a side.

One more problem with the players against the owners is the basic dis-unity they have amongst themselves. Despite the fact that the big market owners and the small market owners might not get along amongst their circle, when it comes to this issue of the CBA they’ll still be unified with each other. I just don’t see the players in the NBAPA doing that when their backs are against the wall. The Major League Baseball Players Union has probably the strongest pro sports union amongst the major North American professional sports. Why? Because they unify when their backs are against the wall. You take a look at their record against the owners and they’ve whipped the owners on each count. Take a look at the strike back in 1994. Owners was going to lock out the players that next year if they didn’t agree to a salary cap for the next CBA. With that the players basically said, ‘**** YOU, we’re walking out!’ Now did this hurt the player’s reputation? Of course it did. But guess what... there is still no salary cap in baseball. Look at the steroid situation. Even in that instance when the players were flat out wrong, they still had each others backs by protecting themselves. Even though steroids, which is legal to take without a prescription, was known to be used by major league baseball players but it took baseball some years to ratify steroids into the substance abuse policy. And when it initially started, it was weak. They beefed it up now BUT how long did it take? That was the MLBPA who held it up

What I’m trying to say that, we all know that the players will probably lose this battle. However, it’s not because they don’t have leverage. They have leverage, it’s just a matter of working together as a unit and how you use it. Remember, wars aren’t won on how much ammo and weapons you have, it’s how you use it is the key.

Let's face it the majority of NBA players come from a culture of spending money on flashy things, and they truly don't understand the concept of saving and solid investments. That's why so many are bankrupt not to long after they can no longer make NBA money. So this is why even though they're millionaires they still live from check to check and why they fold once those checks aren't there. That couple with the fact that the majority of teams are losing money is why they can't win. The owners hold all the important chips.

When you look by average NBA players have the highest salaries. The misconception about baseball is everybody is making A-Rod type money when in reality it's only a few and the overwhelming majority make pennies compared to the top guys even with out a cap.

[Dice]

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Pacers part ways with scouts

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqhFsWfgKyi3gZVWVqtMR8O8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_pacers_scouts_080811

So let me get this straight, if the owners claim they're losing less money from a non-operational lockout year, then why are they laying off staff?

[King_B_Mack]

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Oh NBA lol. Lockout time is kinda hilarious. Space Jam will be airing on NBATv tonight at 8/7 CT. Space Jam bro....on NBATv....Space Jam.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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NBATV no longer exists to me from now until February.

[da ThRONe]

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This whole "let's not show the players" thing is so childish. You build the league on their popularity and one labor dispute and now they don't exist.

[Weeks]

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Honestly, why aren't they allowed to mention their (the players) names and all that?

Never really understood that

[Dice]

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The only time I watch NBA TV is Monday when they have 'Old School Monday'

So if the NBA is not showcasing the players on NBA TV, then why are they allowing 2K to have them on NBA 2K12? Does 2K have a separate license from the players union?

[Dice]

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Good grief! NOW these bastards(players and owners) don't even want to sit down and talk? This is why I said that Billy Hunter and David Stern shouldn't be in on negotiating the deal. There is no way anything will get done. I honestly feel like it's getting close to a point where the courts might have to step in and assign arbitrators for both sides to handle this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_union_stern_081111

Players Association officials disputed NBA commissioner David Stern’s contention that the union canceled a scheduled negotiating session Wednesday with the league.

Union sources said the players didn’t have a meeting scheduled with Stern and his negotiating team.

“The NBA refused to have a staff meeting [Thursday],” a union official said. “Billy Hunter has been with the [National Labor Relations Board] the entire week, including Thursday, and the NBPA was told that Stern would be completely unavailable to meet for the next two weeks.”

The Boston Globe reported Thursday that Stern said the players had canceled negotiations scheduled for Wednesday. Stern also told the Globe he thinks the union and league will eventually reach an agreement to keep the 2011-12 season from being canceled.

“I would say that we have very smart players who recognize that this system is very good to them,” Stern told the Globe. “You got 13 players on a roster averaging $5 million apiece – that’s $65 million – and what the owners have said is, ‘We’re going to try very hard as we reset this thing to keep you as close to that number as we can.’

“At a time when the NFL, which is usually profitable as opposed to the NBA, which isn’t, got the double-digit [revenue] reductions from their players. Our players will understand that when the rhetoric stops, and they will understand that the owners are trying to do the right thing and our players always try to do the right thing.”

If the two sides don’t reach agreement on a new labor contract, Stern told the Globe, “the alternative is very destructive.”

“It’s destructive of $2 billion worth of player salaries and it’s destructive most important to our fans of the game,” Stern said. “And if it spirals badly, everyone gets hurt. But in some ways I worry because the players have more to lose, especially those in the later stages of their career. So we’re going to do everything when can when the rhetoric slows down to get this thing back on track.”