CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[yankeesgiants]

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LOL Stern is raking in 20+ million and people around the world are throwing fits about what the players are getting? I've yet to see ole Sterny take or make a jumpshot for any team and I'm pretty sure he ain't building no stadiums or signing Kobe's checks. Shouldn't his pay be the first on the chopping block of saving all the broke *** teams in the league?

20M a year running a 4 billion dollar operation is well within the margin. As for him not building stadiums. Are you serious? 29 of the 30 teams are playing in new buildings since Stern took over in 1984. He got Charlotte, Orlando and Miami to build 2 areas since 1988. Stern can take credit for all but the following buildings: MSG (built in 1968) TD Banknorth (Bruins own it), OKC Arena (Already there) , New Orleans (Already there).

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They're building a new bldg for the Knicks as well

[Outcast]

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If they're waiting on Fisher to be their help then they are doOMed!! LOL

He'll step up in crunch time

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He'll step up in crunch time LOLOL j/k

Gotcha......

[King_B_Mack]

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20M a year running a 4 billion dollar operation is well within the margin. As for him not building stadiums. Are you serious? 29 of the 30 teams are playing in new buildings since Stern took over in 1984. He got Charlotte, Orlando and Miami to build 2 areas since 1988. Stern can take credit for all but the following buildings: MSG (built in 1968) TD Banknorth (Bruins own it), OKC Arena (Already there) , New Orleans (Already there).

Yes I'm very serious. I've heard repeatedly from people all over how the Owners are the ones taking all the risks and it's why the players should be satisfied making 4 million dollars and so on and so on. David Stern is not footing any bills on any stadiums or operating costs for any teams in the league. David Stern didn't pay for the United Center, he's not paying for the day to day operation of it and he ain't paying Derrick Rose's salary. I'm not giving Stern credit for buildings that he ain't got a cent in. He may negotiate how much of said buidling the city decides to pay for on said building but he ain't doing anything that should get him credit for the building. If Charlotte can't make a payment on their share of the costs, Stern ain't reaching into his pocket to do it.

Why is running a 4 billion dollar operation worth 20 million dollars a year with no problem but actually being THE operation is apparently worth shutting the **** up at 4 million and no higher than maybe 10?

[Dice]

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Stern is straight gangsta. I don't know how and why BUT this dude gets credit for building the NBA up during the Magic/Bird/Jordan era and yet NO ONE is pointing the finger at him for the multiple labor disputes that's gone on since he's been commissioner. Him and Gary Bettman of the NHL are tied with the most lockouts during their tenure. Bettman gets his name dragged in the mud for worst commissioner of a sports league. And rightfully so. BUT yet, Stern is honored by some as 'the best commissioner of all time'. Yeah...ok

[mrclutch]

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Stern is straight gangsta. I don't know how and why BUT this dude gets credit for building the NBA up during the Magic/Bird/Jordan era and yet NO ONE is pointing the finger at him for the multiple labor disputes that's gone on since he's been commissioner. Him and Gary Bettman of the NHL are tied with the most lockouts during their tenure. Bettman gets his name dragged in the mud for worst commissioner of a sports league. And rightfully so. BUT yet, Stern is honored by some as 'the best commissioner of all time'. Yeah...ok

Yup overrated. I think you and me could have been the "savior" if we took over during the MJ, Bird, Jordan era.

[da ThRONe]

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20M a year running a 4 billion dollar operation is well within the margin. As for him not building stadiums. Are you serious? 29 of the 30 teams are playing in new buildings since Stern took over in 1984. He got Charlotte, Orlando and Miami to build 2 areas since 1988. Stern can take credit for all but the following buildings: MSG (built in 1968) TD Banknorth (Bruins own it), OKC Arena (Already there) , New Orleans (Already there).

His plan of just relying on stars and large market teams is why most owners are losing money. He is too busy focusing on dress codes, players reacting to refs, and making kids go to school for one year instead of weeding out flops, expanding individual small market teams brand, holding ref accountable for doing a poor job, or maybe more than anything being innovative to expand the league.

[The 24th Letter]

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I dont understand, is it just "the thing to say" or is there an actual reason to think Fisher cant properly represent the players?

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Probably boring to some of you guys but here are a couple of interviews after the talks

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/08/01/labor_talks/index.html

They basically got nowhere at all

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Someone made a great point

Fish is being a bit dishonest here

Every single NBA season, the players end up with more money than what they had before the season started, but the same cannot be said about the owners

Truth of the matter is, unless the NBA had stepped in, the Hornets would no longer be a franchise right now because they couldn't survive

How many of those do we need to see, and those lower level players losing their jobs for good before he understands maybe the other guys taking more money might not be the best solution?

Stern is the guy fighting for the owners thats why he is employed with whatever it is

..but today the NBAPLA went in this meeting without a plan anyway, it was almost worthless because nobody is conceding anything for any reason..but I say, I hope some of those rooks and other guys are saving up

[da ThRONe]

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Someone made a great point

Fish is being a bit dishonest here

Every single NBA season, the players end up with more money than what they had before the season started, but the same cannot be said about the owners

Truth of the matter is, unless the NBA had stepped in, the Hornets would no longer be a franchise right now because they couldn't survive

How many of those do we need to see, and those lower level players losing their jobs for good before he understands maybe the other guys taking more money might not be the best solution?

Stern is the guy fighting for the owners thats why he is employed with whatever it is

..but today the NBAPLA went in this meeting without a plan anyway, it was almost worthless because nobody is conceding anything for any reason..but I say, I hope some of those rooks and other guys are saving up

All the posturing on both sides is just juvenile and pointless. The owners will end up with some percentage of revenue sharing and the players will cave in salary reduction and cap ceiling, and shorten contracts. They'll end up with a 50-50 split of the BRI. Why can't they just skip all the nonsense a get it done before more harm is done.

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I think the players have less of a say this time really so they just need to let it go

Riding it out only hurts them when its said and done the most

Threatening to decertify and David Stern will sue them and void their current contracts. I know thats not a fight they want to deal with

[yankeesgiants]

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Yup overrated. I think you and me could have been the "savior" if we took over during the MJ, Bird, Jordan era.

Im going to assume you were born in the NBA on NBC era. Because clearly you didn't witness the Larry O'Brien era as commissioner to make that statement. FYI the NBA finals were on tape delay at midnight before Stern. In fact the league was so disrespected that CBS was going to show game 6 of the 1977 NBA Finals live at 10:30 AM PT on a Sunday morning so it would not interfere with the live coverage of the Kemper Open Golf Tourny. They balked and showed it at noon but the trophy presentation and celebration was nixed, you didnt see it. You know Magic Johnson **** 42-15-7 line in the NBA finals where he jumped center. Guess What? It was seen live in only 4 markets. Most markets aired reruns of the Incredible Hulk, Dukes of Hazard and Dallas instead. But Stern is overated and did nothing....

[yankeesgiants]

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I think the players have less of a say this time really so they just need to let it go

Riding it out only hurts them when its said and done the most

Threatening to decertify and David Stern will sue them and void their current contracts. I know thats not a fight they want to deal with

The players are going to get smoked because they will lose the messaging war. When your opening statment is decertification and playing in Europe, your already losing the fight. Eventhough they had a dope like Ewing in front of the microphone in 1998, you had Jordan and others to right the messaging ship. I dont see that happening with this generation of players.