CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[yankeesgiants]

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Once again I like the idea of a flex cap. With a ceiling and a floor. Start the cap around 65mil the floor would be at 55 and the ceiling of 75mil. With a luxury tax of 3 to 1 on every dollar over 65 mil. This way the large market teams still can go up and beyond, and forcing the lesser owner to spend money.

1. You cant have all 3. either you have a hard cap or a soft cap.
2. The NBA has had a salary floor for close to 30 years. It's 75% of the cap which was around 43M for the 2010-11 season.

[yankeesgiants]

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A hard cap will cripple teams like the Lakers (not that the idea of crippling the Lakers break my heart). In fairness there's no way they could get under a 70 million and compete.

It's clearly not a hard cap and there's a floor so bad teams will have to spend atleast X amount of dollars. The point is teams don't have to over pay out fringe stars out of fear that they will run to a large market. Will it happen sure from time to time, but not enough that smaller market teams can't compete or again where they have to back up the Brinks' truck for a guy who's not a superstar. Yet big market teams still can use their wallets to give their team an advantage. Prefect system for the league and great compromise between players and owners/small market teams and large market teams.

Any introduction of a hard cap will coinside with a 30% rollback in salaries. That is the only way it can happen. What the owners are saying is you can agree to hard cap or we will cancel the season and impliment a hard cap. Same way the NHL owners did it. Or you can keep your soft cap and guaranteed contracts go away. If your looking far a NFL style system, it ain't gonna happen because there are systemic differences in the rules of ownership in the 2 leagues.

[da ThRONe]

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1. You cant have all 3. either you have a hard cap or a soft cap.
2. The NBA has had a salary floor for close to 30 years. It's 75% of the cap which was around 43M for the 2010-11 season.

Isn't this what the owners proposed in their very last offer? Adding a floor only makes sense and would make it more likely to be accepted by the players, yet it will still keep spending in check.

[yankeesgiants]

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Isn't this what the owners proposed in their very last offer? Adding a floor only makes sense and would make it more likely to be accepted by the players, yet it will still keep spending in check.

Not exactly. The floor has been there for almost 3 decades. The floor is a non issue. What the owners are proposing is the flex cap that the NHL uses. The players feel it is a defacto hard cap which it is because it involves them giving 8% back if they receive more then 57% of revenue.

Stern convinced the owners to give it all away in the 90's. Which they did. The owners are trying to take it back. Stern made decisions that benefited the NBA but didn't benefit basketball as a whole. Stern dismantled the top down approach that worked for 5 decades for the benefit of a few. Those choices created systemic problems that have come home to roost.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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“If, as players, we feel we can operate under a fair system, then we can maybe work towards a fair number,” Fisher said. “I think our counterparts feel a little bit differently, they want to get a number set and they’re not as concerned with the way the system looks if they get the right number. We don’t think that’s the best way to approach it. We want to make sure we keep a fair system in place for all players now and coming in later and I think the numbers will kind of take care of themselves.”

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/6816981/nbpa-prez-derek-fisher-lockout-weirdly-quiet?campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

[da ThRONe]

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http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...e=NBAHeadlines

What the hell is Fisher talking about?

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LOL schucking and jiving again


If this is the guy they're letting do all the talking then they'll never come to an agreement

[TheMatrix31]

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He's such a loser.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Stern accuses playing of "bad faith bargaining"

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/31036764

“I don’t feel optimistic about the players’ willingness to engage in a serious way,” Stern said

“I think it’s fair to say that we’re in the same place as we were 30 days ago,” Stern said. “And we agreed we’d be in touch to schedule some additional meetings.”
Asked why that would be necessary, given the lack of progress, Stern said, “There’s always a reason for more meetings because that’s the only way you’ll ultimately get to a deal, at the negotiating table. You never know, but right now we haven’t seen any movement.”

[Dice]

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David "Gangstas Make the World Go Round" Stern

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_talks_080111

He won’t stand up to these owners, and why should he? He has the greatest job in sports, and someday soon he’ll be the highest-paid player in the NBA. Stern doesn’t need to push his owners on revenue sharing – the most viable solution for long-term league solvency – when it’s so much easier to go after the players and shut the sport down. He’s taking the easy way out, but it’s understandable considering the staggering salary these owners pay him.

Strange, but the union never has the courage to bring up the mystery surrounding Stern’s salary. Many owners don’t even know what Stern makes. “I’d say three or less know,” one NBA owner told Yahoo! Sports. Several believe it’s somewhere in the range of $20 million to $23 million a year, but no one knows for sure. Maybe it’s more than that, but the fact that some owners don’t know the answer is beyond belief.

Everyone is so scared of Stern. They want to work in the league again, and know he has the power to crush them. This is part of the reason so many are watching Players Association president Derek Fisher(notes) closely now. Will he ever come out swinging at Stern? After all, from owners to team executives to agents, everyone knows the dirty little secret of that job. Play ball with Stern in labor talks, and history shows the league will take care of you.

[da ThRONe]

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David "Gangstas Make the World Go Round" Stern

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...r_talks_080111

WTF! Stern makes 20+ mil a year.

What the hell for?

[23]

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If they're waiting on Fisher to be their help then they are doOMed!! LOL

[Dice]

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WTF! Stern makes 20+ mil a year.

What the hell for?

Don't see anybody telling him he needs to take a paycut. You do that, you wake up with a horse-head in your bed the next morning.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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After all, from owners to team executives to agents, everyone knows the dirty little secret of that job. Play ball with Stern in labor talks, and history shows the league will take care of you.

Aka "Yes Massahhh, you want me to shine yo shoes and dance for you too, Massahh???"

[King_B_Mack]

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LOL Stern is raking in 20+ million and people around the world are throwing fits about what the players are getting? I've yet to see ole Sterny take or make a jumpshot for any team and I'm pretty sure he ain't building no stadiums or signing Kobe's checks. Shouldn't his pay be the first on the chopping block of saving all the broke *** teams in the league?