Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

[DieHardYankee26]

Not in this case. They depict, very clearly, who the better player is. And no, I haven't made any "excuses". I've adapted my argument to those presented. That is it, that is all.

You made the excuse just a few posts ago that Durant didn't do as well as Melo in his first few years because Seattle purposely tanked.

[slimm44]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

You made the excuse just a few posts ago that Durant didn't do as well as Melo in his first few years because Seattle purposely tanked.

Durant and Melo's first few years as individual players were very comparable, it was the quality of their teams that was vastly different. Melo's production wasn't quite as good as Durant's until Melo's 3rd year vs. Durant's 2nd. This probably had something to do with Melo's supporting cast being better scoring options than Durant's, though. Durant didn't have any better than what would be considered a 3rd or 4th option on any other team, which thrust him into more of a number 1 option than Melo at the time, if you know what I'm saying. If Melo would have had to do it all on his own, he could have put up a few more points a game, I believe.

Bumis, I wouldn't have answered a question directed at you, but I was the one posting the comparisons of SEA/OKC and DEN.

[The 24th Letter]

We better check with Bumi's 'message-board posting' efficiency stats to justify your claim. Your eyes may have been lying to you when you read wwharton's post.

Great last couple of posts wwhart, Ether!

[DC35]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

what is up with all the excuses for Melo being behind in Durant in almost every stat and crucifying Durant for his team drafting good players and giving him a good supporting cast?

[BlueNGold]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

Ya'll do realize that OKC is Bumi's favorite team, right?

Not saying that should make his opinion irrelevant or whatever, but just something to chew on.

[kingkilla56]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

Classic example of a single fan ruining a player for me. I'll take Carmelo after reading the thread.

[Bumi]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

what is up with all the excuses for Melo being behind in Durant in almost every stat and crucifying Durant for his team drafting good players and giving him a good supporting cast?

It's impossible at this point. You can't have a productive argument when people willingly ignore quantifiable evidence in favor of, well, their eyes. When they're proven wrong, as they were in this case, they can fall back on the "well, my eyes told me so!" argument, which is about as fallacious as it gets. So, instead of, you know, supporting their claims, they laugh and prance about in mocking tones. How does Melo get the nod, despite being inferior in ever relevant statistic; today, and yesterday? Don't know. But if you need someone to convince you that the sum of two and two is three, this would be the place.

You made the excuse just a few posts ago that Durant didn't do as well as Melo in his first few years because Seattle purposely tanked

Few would imply three or more. Outside of his rookie season, which Seattle did tank(thought it was obvious, but I also think two plus two is four, so... meh) Durant has been better than Melo.

[mKoz26]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

It's impossible at this point. You can't have a productive argument when people willingly ignore quantifiable evidence in favor of, well, their eyes. When they're proven wrong, as they were in this case, they can fall back on the "well, my eyes told me so!" argument, which is about as fallacious as it gets. So, instead of, you know, supporting their claims, they laugh and prance about in mocking tones. How does Melo get the nod, despite being inferior in ever relevant statistic; today, and yesterday? Don't know. But if you need someone to convince you that the sum of two and two is three, this would be the place.

So you're saying that stats are the only important factor when evaluating players? And you're determining which ones are and are not relevant and passing that off as fact?

You need to understand that people are going to disagree with you, and they're not necessarily wrong. Basketball is a complex game. There's more to it than TS%, Points, Rebounds, and Assists.

[ehh]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

I think Bumi is the love child of Alex Brady and a calculator.

[slimm44]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

The best, most logical, and most convincing basketball arguments come when stats are married to educated opinions based off of observation. This thread is headed for a divorce due to irreconcilable differences.

[slimm44]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

I think Bumi is the love child of Alex Brady and a calculator.

Now, THAT's funny.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

I was waiting for the Denver turnaround in Melo's rookie year would come up. Durant's rookie season was abysmal. You would think given that he's so much better than Melo according to Bumi, he would have led his team to more than 20 and 23 wins in his first two seasons.

Few would imply three or more. Outside of his rookie season, which Seattle did tank(thought it was obvious, but I also think two plus two is four, so... meh) Durant has been better than Melo.

Despite how many seasons few would imply, I said from the beginning that I was speaking of their first two seasons. And the team tanking is a ridiculous argument. Unless the players were actively out there throwing games, it doesn't change the fact that he didn't win. If we're gonna point out Melo's failures, does it not make sense to point out Durant's? And if you're going to blame Melo for his entire team's failures, then I'm going to blame Durant for his.

[DC35]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

Despite how many seasons few would imply, I said from the beginning that I was speaking of their first two seasons. And the team tanking is a ridiculous argument. Unless the players were actively out there throwing games, it doesn't change the fact that he didn't win. If we're gonna point out Melo's failures, does it not make sense to point out Durant's? And if you're going to blame Melo for his entire team's failures, then I'm going to blame Durant for his.

the team tanking isn't a ridiculous argument at all that team was terrible they were really bad nuggets had the better squad if you guys are gonna state the reason melo only been out the playoffs once cause of his bad team it is fair that the reason Durant didn't immediately get to the playoffs is because of the circumstances in Seattle and the fact they were on complete rebuild mode.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

the team tanking isn't a ridiculous argument at all that team was terrible they were really bad nuggets had the better squad if you guys are gonna state the reason melo only been out the playoffs once cause of his bad team it is fair that the reason Durant didn't immediately get to the playoffs is because of the circumstances in Seattle and the fact they were on complete rebuild mode.

So I think we're on the same page as far as things just need to be equal across the board. Bumi is trying to crucify Melo for his team's failures but Durant gets a pass because he played on a bad squad. I don't have anything against either one, but we can't judge one one way and the other with a whole other method.

[DC35]

Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

So I think we're on the same page as far as things just need to be equal across the board. Bumi is trying to crucify Melo for his team's failures but Durant gets a pass because he played on a bad squad. I don't have anything against either one, but we can't judge one one way and the other with a whole other method.

i think failing to make it out the first round multiple times is different then not making it to the post season your rookie and sophomore years in the NBA but that's just me out of the times he got bounced he should have at least made it to the 2nd round twice IMO. I still vote Durant