Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Which is exactly why the whole "CP3 being traded to NY" doesn't make sense. Why would the next owner trade his money maker for or better yet, why would the league trade him since they still own the team? That would go against everything Stern and Silver were preaching about "competitive balance" and whatnot.

The only way he would even get to go there would be thru FA and he would be sacrificing alot of money just for that, thanks to the new CBA.

The Big 3 got $16M in the first year.

CP3 would get $13.5M in his first year of a new FA contract. I don't think he'd be hurting for money in a large market (LA, NY, etc).

The Knicks should have enough room beneath the salary cap next summer to offer Paul, who can become a free agent after this season, a contract starting around $13.5 million, just less than the maximum. And while New Orleans could offer him more money, Paul, like his buddies James and Wade did in 2010, will gladly take a little less to join the team of his choice.

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[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Nah, he'd be sacrificing money as well. Up to $40 Mil according to Hollinger.

Would you sacrifice that amount just to play in the same place as your boys?

He would be giving up (I think it's) $30M if he re-signs and stays with N.O.

No one expects him to.
It was the same thing with LBJ and Bosh. They gave up money to go elsewhere.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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1. Bron, Bosh and Wade made a combined $42 Mil in 2010. In 2012, Melo and Amare will have made a combined $40 Mil. And before somebody mentions this, you can't restructure deals already in place. The Heat did that as Free Agents so it's not like Melo and Amar'e can go and sacrifice some money from themselves. And that money that mWo gave up, that's being up thru State Tax so they really didn't sacrifice much.

2. This is from Hollinger's article(it's an ESPN Insider so I can't paste the whole thing:

John Hollinger tries to temper Knick fans enthusiasm but running Chris Paul through the number cruncher that is the new CBA and bottom lines it this way: "Looks like a slam dunk, right? Not so fast." Hollinger notes that Paul can't earn more than $13.5 million under any reasonable scenario and would sacrifice a large fortune long-term.
Hollinger writes: "So if Paul really wants to go to New York, he can go -- as long as he's willing to give up, at a minimum, forty million dollars to do it

That's $40 Mil he'd leave on the table and maybe aside from Baseball, you can't name too many pro athletes who'd be willing to sacrifice that amount of money.

It is one thing that all three take a paycut and another one to ask possibly the best player out of the three to take a signidicant paycut to join 2 inferior players who took every penny they could thus making signing that 3rd star way harder.

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CP3 would get $13.5M in his first year of a new FA contract

In NY whereas another team with cap room could give him $17 Mil and NO can give him $19 Mil.

I'm not saying he's going to stay in NO because I don't know what he's going to do, just like I don't know what Deron is going to do. I'm just saying it's not as easy as the mainstream media clowns(like Broussard being one of them, always has)make it seem that it's a lock he'll go there.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Via your favorite Pack, C. Bruoussard

The Jazz are shopping Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap, according to league executives.

The Jazz appear eager to build their frontcourt around the younger combination of Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1f78IHgoY


A few more tidbits on Amnesty from the LA Times

The bid system is meant to restrict amnesty players from flocking to top teams. "Maybe some of the lesser teams can grab a player who was being overpaid," said a league official with knowledge of the bid procedure.

Details are still being worked out, but if teams independently put in the same offer to the NBA, the waived player goes to the team with the worse record last season.

[Kashanova]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

1. Bron, Bosh and Wade made a combined $42 Mil in 2010. In 2012, Melo and Amare will have made a combined $40 Mil. And before somebody mentions this, you can't restructure deals already in place. The Heat did that as Free Agents so it's not like Melo and Amar'e can go and sacrifice some money from themselves. And that money that mWo gave up, that's being up thru State Tax so they really didn't sacrifice much.

2. This is from Hollinger's article(it's an ESPN Insider so I can't paste the whole thing:


That's $40 Mil he'd leave on the table and maybe aside from Baseball, you can't name too many pro athletes who'd be willing to sacrifice that amount of money.

It is one thing that all three take a paycut and another one to ask possibly the best player out of the three to take a signidicant paycut to join 2 inferior players who took every penny they could thus making signing that 3rd star way harder.

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In NY whereas another team with cap room could give him $17 Mil and NO can give him $19 Mil.

I'm not saying he's going to stay in NO because I don't know what he's going to do, just like I don't know what Deron is going to do. I'm just saying it's not as easy as the mainstream media clowns(like Broussard being one of them, always has)make it seem that it's a lock he'll go there.

We don't know the Cap number for next year, The knicks could have a scenario where they might have enough cap room to offer him 17 mil. Also lots of athletes give up money to Win. I think that would be the main goals, playing with his friends is secondary

[Dice]

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Via your favorite Pack, C. Bruoussard

The Jazz are shopping Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap, according to league executives.

The Jazz appear eager to build their frontcourt around the younger combination of Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1f78IHgoY

I'm wondering if the Bulls would be interested in acquiring Jefferson? I know the Bulls need a 2-guard BUT I still say the Bulls are in need of a consistent scorer from the post. Boozer has been a big disappointment. Jefferson could really take the scoring load off of Derrick Rose.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

1. Bron, Bosh and Wade made a combined $42 Mil in 2010. In 2012, Melo and Amare will have made a combined $40 Mil. And before somebody mentions this, you can't restructure deals already in place. The Heat did that as Free Agents so it's not like Melo and Amar'e can go and sacrifice some money from themselves. And that money that mWo gave up, that's being up thru State Tax so they really didn't sacrifice much.

2. This is from Hollinger's article(it's an ESPN Insider so I can't paste the whole thing:


That's $40 Mil he'd leave on the table and maybe aside from Baseball, you can't name too many pro athletes who'd be willing to sacrifice that amount of money.

It is one thing that all three take a paycut and another one to ask possibly the best player out of the three to take a signidicant paycut to join 2 inferior players who took every penny they could thus making signing that 3rd star way harder.

3.
In NY whereas another team with cap room could give him $17 Mil and NO can give him $19 Mil.

I'm not saying he's going to stay in NO because I don't know what he's going to do, just like I don't know what Deron is going to do. I'm just saying it's not as easy as the mainstream media clowns(like Broussard being one of them, always has)make it seem that it's a lock he'll go there.

I don't know what will happen either. I actually would prefer Dwight over CP3.

But you're caught up on what he's willing to sacrifice as if that seems to matter to him. If it did and he was sure about the state of the Hornets franchise and really wanted to be there, this wouldn't even be discussed.

Weren't the numbers above pretty much the same for Melo under the old CBA? And what did he do? He left. Whatever he gave up on that NBA contract he's getting back thru Nike, VH1 and all the other crap he's involved in. If state taxes were an issue, Dwight would re-up in tax-friendly Florida.

CP3 put this on himself when he made that stupid toast at Melo's wedding.

Now he's gonna eff this season up with this kind of drama.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Kash-I never said athletes don't give up money to win. I said outside of Baseball, you can't name too many athletes that gave up $40 Mil(which to you it doesn't sound like alot). Otherwise if money isn't the issue, then tell him to sign for the minimum(if it comes to that)that way you can build an actual TEAM.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Weren't the numbers above pretty much the same for Melo under the old CBA? And what did he do? He left

And he left because of the money he would be missing out on if he did force his way out.

And honestly, I can't see Deron, Duhwight or CP3 giving up that amount of money. If this was $10 Mil we're talking about, that's one thing because it's a good chance you can make that back up. But $40 Mil? Making that up somewhere else that easily? Not so sure about that.

[Kashanova]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Kash-I never said athletes don't give up money to win. I said outside of Baseball, you can't name too many athletes that gave up $40 Mil(which to you it doesn't sound like alot). Otherwise if money isn't the issue, then tell him to sign for the minimum(if it comes to that)that way you can build an actual TEAM.

You can still build a team without giving paul the minimum, this wouldn't be the only big three ever assembled, their have been other big threes that had most of the money allocated to three players and they were able to win and win big.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Different CBAs Kash, you're missing the point.

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I don't know what will happen either. I actually would prefer Dwight over CP3.

But you're caught up on what he's willing to sacrifice as if that seems to matter to him. If it did and he was sure about the state of the Hornets franchise and really wanted to be there, this wouldn't even be discussed.

Weren't the numbers above pretty much the same for Melo under the old CBA? And what did he do? He left. Whatever he gave up on that NBA contract he's getting back thru Nike, VH1 and all the other crap he's involved in. If state taxes were an issue, Dwight would re-up in tax-friendly Florida.

CP3 put this on himself when he made that stupid toast at Melo's wedding.

Now he's gonna eff this season up with this kind of drama.

Honestly man... is this the nba we're going to have every single year with these guys who are supposed superstars?

Its like, no wonder the league is not as popular as it was before, so much drama and less about the game itself....because you know Dwight's name is coming up as well

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

One of the surest bets of the soon-to-begin 2011 NBA free-agent period is that Nene wants out of Denver. Where he winds up, and how, will be among the most intriguing storylines when the floodgates open around Dec. 9.

The Nuggets are operating under the firm belief that Nene will test the market as an unrestricted free agent, according to a person familiar with the team's thinking. Six teams have registered interest, the source said: Golden State, New Jersey, Indiana, Miami, Dallas and Houston.

Nene, the top unrestricted free agent on the market in the view of many team executives, will have a say over where he winds up -- though not as much as free agents did under the previous system since free agents can no longer get max deals when leaving their teams via sign-and-trades.

Nene, 29, has long coveted Miami and Dallas as landing spots, but would have to force his way to one of those teams via a sign-and-trade since both are well over the cap. And whereas LeBron James was able to get a max deal through a sign-and-trade when he went from Cleveland to Miami, Nene would have to settle for a four-year deal with 4.5 percent raises under the new system in such an arrangement.

If the Golden State used the amnesty provision on Andris Biedrins, the Warriors would have enough room to sign Nene outright for close to the max -- but again, that would be a four-year deal with non-Bird raises as opposed to the five-year deal with 7.5 percent raises he'd get by re-signing with Denver. There's no incentive under the new rules for Nene to push for a sign-and-trade as opposed to an outright signing with another team, unless there was a clear preference for a team that didn't have room to sign him.

There is incentive, however, for the Nuggets to accommodate his wishes in the hopes of getting significant assets back through a sign-and-trade. For the Nuggets, the most advantageous scenario would be if Nene wanted to be in Miami, Dallas or Houston enough to be willing to accept less money to get there.

The Nets would have room sign Nene to a max deal starting at 30 percent of the cap -- $17.4 million -- if they used amnesty on Travis Outlaw. The Pacers have enough room regardless, while the Rockets would need to work with the Nuggets on a sign-and-trade.

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[Kashanova]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Different CBAs Kash, you're missing the point.

I am missing the point. I don't get what your getting at....

[ex carrabba fan]

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If Nene lands in Dallas or Miami... smh

Although Nene is probably the best FA on the market, I question him a bit. He's another one of those big guys who doesn't seem to raise his game during the playoffs. In fact I think the dude kind of vanishes once the lights come on.

But if he lands in either one of those cities, that would make them pretty damn scary on paper.