Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[PrettyT11]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...act_nba_011912

Yeah, a horrible deal indeed and they'll be nothing but a 1st or 2nd rd team at best now all because of Westbrook. Not gonna say it's overreaction but it's damn near pretty close.

Come on man now you are just reaching and have been for the last few posts. Nobody said the team would be trash or anything of that nature. All that has been said is dude isn't worth the max. Nobody has said just throw him away or anything of that nature and nobody has said Ibaka was some great player. If they could have resigned him to a deal like Rondo's or even one like is being reported for Love then i would be yelling great deal. But they gave him the max. that is why myself and others are saying it's a bad deal.

Also it's not just Westbrook that I am coming down on. He is just one of a few others who aren't worth the max either. Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Amare, and others fall into the same boat. We will just have to see if Westbrook lives up to the deal.

[Dice]

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I guess OKC is going 'all in' on Westbrook. Hopefully, if he can get his act straight in the playoffs, OKC can be contending for a championship for some years.

[ex carrabba fan]

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If anything they can always still trade him down the line.

IDK if he's a max player but I'm not mad at the deal, especially if they can still keep their other youngsters.

It's all about WB playing within himself. I always say that he played much differently in the playoffs than he did last regular season.

[bigeastbumrush]

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FWIW, OKC is better with him than without him.

You're making this statement with no point of reference? Or are you saying if OKC has not won with him out of the lineup?

[Drewski]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...act_nba_011912

Yeah, a horrible deal indeed and they'll be nothing but a 1st or 2nd rd team at best now all because of Westbrook. Not gonna say it's overreaction but it's damn near pretty close.

Only thing that could hurt OKC is if Harden or Ibaka want to get paid $$$ now.

Rondo 5 years $55 mill looks gorgeous in comparison, however.

[Drewski]

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Also it's not just Westbrook that I am coming down on. He is just one of a few others who aren't worth the max either. Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Amare, and others fall into the same boat. We will just have to see if Westbrook lives up to the deal.

You just put Russell Westbrook in the same boat as Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson?

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[bigeastbumrush]

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Only thing that could hurt OKC is if Harden or Ibaka want to get paid $$$ now.

Rondo 5 years $55 mill looks gorgeous in comparison, however.

And why on earth would they not...specifically Harden?

[Drewski]

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I agree bit of a dice roll but I think they're banking that those guys will be loyal and see they have a chance to play for a winner in a city that supports the hell out of their team all together. You know, one of those Disney movie type fuzzy feelings and then Emilio Estevez start's coaching and introduces the flying V offense.

[PrettyT11]

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Rondo 5 years $55 mill looks gorgeous in comparison, however.

Indeed it does. I'm pretty sure if we did a poll on who was better between the two it would be split. Now if we did who would you rather build your team with and their contracts are what they are I'm not sure many if any at all would give Westbrook that extra 25 million.

[PrettyT11]

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You just put Russell Westbrook in the same boat as Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson?

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Ummm read it again. I said that he is not worth the max just like they aren't. I said nothing about who is better or who is worth more. All I said was none of them are worth the max.

[Drewski]

Ummm read it again. I said that he is not worth the max just like they aren't. I said nothing about who is better or who is worth more. All I said was none of them are worth the max.

Keep in mind their max is different. Contract figures scale with years played in the league. Westbrook is worth it at a position that has a ton of elite players currently. And apparently it left them with flexibility to still grab Ibaka and Harden. Bird rights to guys that have always been on their roster, makes going over the cap possible. The Thunder seems to have decided this the core they want because otherwise Westbrook would have had the ability to walk, not a good idea to lose him for nothing. Only thing they could have done was push for a PG swap somewhere since if this is their logic, they don't need a starting position upgrade elsewhere with Perk, Ibaka, Durant, Hardenflosha as they are confident this is the direction the franchise has been going and is staying.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Come on man now you are just reaching and have been for the last few posts. Nobody said the team would be trash or anything of that nature. All that has been said is dude isn't worth the max. Nobody has said just throw him away or anything of that nature and nobody has said Ibaka was some great player. If they could have resigned him to a deal like Rondo's or even one like is being reported for Love then i would be yelling great deal. But they gave him the max. that is why myself and others are saying it's a bad deal.

Also it's not just Westbrook that I am coming down on. He is just one of a few others who aren't worth the max either. Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Amare, and others fall into the same boat. We will just have to see if Westbrook lives up to the deal.

Right, I'm the one saying that Westbrook will never get better or that they're better off with Maynor and Ibaka than they are Westbrook or that they shouldn't pay him because then they can't sign Harden and Ibaka. But i'm reaching LOL.

He took the smaller offer that allows the team to offer BOTH Harden and Ibaka contracts even though most here assumed that he would only go for the $94 Mil deal. So in other words, HE took less money when he could've waited til the Offseason for somebody else to give him that deal and in which everyone here would've said, "Oh, he doesn't care about winning and the team, he just wants to get paid". And from what he did, that don't sound like a selfish player to me or somebody who doesn't want to get better.

I mean you're already putting him in the Joe Johnson, Amar'e and Rashard Lewis category in which they've already reached their peak and won't get any better.

What did YOU want him to do? Take the vet's minimum or just sign a bunch of one year deals until he retires?

Their FO(especially Sam Presti) is known around the league as one of the best around so what makes anybody they won't be able to lock up Harden and/or Ibaka?

But hey, it's a bad contract and he'll never get any better and the team is better off with a one leg Eric Maynor(no offense Tehova)than they are with Westbrook(not saying you said this personally).

Again, it left them with flexibility to sign Harden AND Ibaka and isn't this what ya'll WANTED them to do? Or is it just get rid of Westbrook at all costs?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And let's say OKC wins a Championship or two in the near future, what makes ya'll think they won't mind going into the Luxury Tax? You gotta spend to win in today's NBA, you're not going to win being the cheapest team in the league or being afraid to spend some money.

Ummm read it again. I said that he is not worth the max just like they aren't. I said nothing about who is better or who is worth more. All I said was none of them are worth the max.

Be fair now because his contract is nowhere near as bad as those names. Hell, if some of those guys had THIS contract, they'd be getting less grief from people.

[tehova]

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if he didnt break the news of his extension by tweeting it, then i cant take him seriously as an mvp candidate. Selfish

[bigeastbumrush]

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And let's say OKC wins a Championship or two in the near future, what makes ya'll think they won't mind going into the Luxury Tax? You gotta spend to win in today's NBA, you're not going to win being the cheapest team in the league or being afraid to spend some money.


Be fair now because his contract is nowhere near as bad as those names. Hell, if some of those guys had THIS contract, they'd be getting less grief from people.

I don't think anyone is saying that OKC should be cheap.

The Thunder have chemistry issues and it starts and ends with Durant & Westbrook. And there is no veteran presence on OKC to get both of these guys straight (Perk seems like a ******* to me).

We've seen these guys fight in the playoffs, in the clutch, etc.

If they can still sign Harden & Ibaka...great. But their Team better be in position to win because this is who's going down with them.

If Westbrook was on my favorite team...I simply wouldn't trust him. That's just how I feel about it. I'd hate to see my team lock up a guy who I couldn't trust.