Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[Cavsfan4life]

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Didnt take long for rumors to begin. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...o_Lakers_Trade

[TheMatrix31]

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Didnt take long for rumors to begin. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...o_Lakers_Trade

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[Cavsfan4life]

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Guessing you would like that deal

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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/...wG5y96M97eB9pO

Quote: By Peter Vecsey

The Magic are not interested in trading Dwight Howard to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum, according to one source that spoke with Peter Vecsey.

“I can tell you for a fact the Lakers offered Andrew Bynum and the Magic do not want him,” said a Western Conference executive.

Several insiders believe Howard will remain in Orlando for the remainder of the season.

[BlueNGold]

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So they're just going to let him walk?

[Cavsfan4life]

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They are calling his bluff, new CBA doesnt allow sign and trades with bird rights transferring. The TNT comments about the Magic was very telling, Dwight still doesn't know if he wants to leave IMO.

[Drewski]

So they're just going to let him walk?

Seems crazy but im starting to think theyre going to roll the dice... Again. We'll just have to see

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[BlueNGold]

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Seems crazy but im starting to think theyre going to roll the dice... Again. We'll just have to see

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Typical Otis move. All these options and he chooses the worst possible one.

The guy is halfway out the door already. Ship his *** out and get some type of return for him. I mean, they do realize they can probably rid themselves of Hedo Turko-globupcapspace's contract by trading Duhwight, right? They might as well just do that because otherwise they're going to be left with the current team they have now, but without Duhwight, which doesn't bode well for them at all.

Not to mention that if Dwight's a goner, Otis is probably just as gone as him, only it won't be by choice.

[TheMatrix31]

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I like that they're taking a stand.

**** these players.

[Drewski]

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I guess?

Means he'll just walk on over to NJ and as BnG pointed out, be stuck with the bogged down cap situation they currently have, losing Dwight for nothing.

More power to em, though.

Unless of course they have rental suitors still lined up.

[TheMatrix31]

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Orlando can still offer him the most money right? Maybe they can S&T.

Proud of the Suns not dealing Amare at the deadline.

These players shouldn't have all the power. Screw 'em.

Ideally, you'd trade him to whoever you want to trade him to in a couple of weeks. Unfortunately others won't give up that much if they know he won't be locked up long-term.

[Drewski]

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Truthfully dont know

I know they changed some S/T things up a bit, and I'm fairly certain ORL can offer him the most $. I think S/T still works as it did for like... 3 years of this CBA. Too lazy to look into it.

I'm sure Larry Coon has answered the ? 100 times and I'm sure I've read the answer but I'm lazy...

/did a quick google search.

For those interested in the contract side of Orl/Dwight situation, lengthy but lays it out.

Here is what you need to know about Dwight Howard and his pending contract situation, because no one, including the Orlando Magic, has the details entirely right.


High level Magic sources have been telling reporters that in order for Dwight Howard to get his full value that he needed to be traded by January 1st. That’s not entirely true.

“He needed to be traded by January 1 (actually December 30) in order to EXTEND with his new team (because the new CBA prohibits extensions within 6 months of a trade if the extension gives him more than he could have received in an extend-and-trade — i.e., 3 total years, 4.5% raises). But Howard was never going to extend anyway. The most he could get in an extension is 4 years, which includes current years on his contract. And even if he extends on June 30, the current season counts as one full year. That means an extension could add two new seasons only (on top of this season and next season, where his ETO would be voided).

If he’s EXTENDED he’s losing guaranteed money. So he’s not going to extend — he’s going to become a free agent. Therefore the January 1 deadline was meaningless.”

It’s been said in Magic circles that the only team that can give Dwight the most money is Orlando, again, not entirely true.

“He could be traded on March 15, and his new team would inherit his Bird rights. If he opts out, the he could sign with that team for the maximum contract — 5 years, 7.5% raises — just the same as he could with Orlando if he’s not traded. This is obviously what Dwight wants to do — get traded to the team he wants to be with long-term, opt-out, and re-sign with them. He gets the best contract, AND the team of his choice.”

It’s also been said that Orlando is the only team that Dwight could do a five-year deal with, again not entirely true.

THE TEAM HE FINISHES THE SEASON WITH can do a five year deal, and everyone else can do a four year deal.

So what are the real scenarios for Dwight Howard?

So this really comes down to the following comparison (in Dwight’s head). If Orlando doesn’t trade him, should he:

A) Re-sign with Orlando because he can get a five-year deal and 7.5% raises; or

B) Sign with the team of his choice (eg: NJ or Dallas) for a four-year deal and 4.5% raises.

So it’s a matter of choosing between the team and the money. But how much money? Let’s look at the years first.

People like to say “he’s giving up $20 million,” but that’s not accurate. That’s because they’re comparing a four-year contract to a five-year contract. The comparison is only valid if this is the last contract he’s ever going to sign. Unless something catastrophic happens, he’s going to sign another contract or extension eventually, so he’ll eventually get paid for that fifth year.

What we’re really talking about is locking in that money now, as protection against a catastrophic injury in the next three years that would prevent him from signing that next contract. I don’t think he chooses his teams on the basis of what amounts to an insurance policy.

The other factor is the raises. Let’s compare apples to apples — a four-year deal in either case. With 7.5% raises he gets $84,533,793 over four years (his starting salary is $18,996,358 whether he re-signs or changes teams). With 4.5% raises it’s $81,114,449 over four years — a difference of $3,419,344 over four years, or an average of about $855K per year.

So the REAL question is, which choice does Dwight make:

A) Re-sign with Orlando to get an extra $855K per year and insurance for that fifth year; or

B) Sign with the team of his choice for $855K less per year, and waiting 3 years for the opportunity to lock in the salary for year 5.

Can the Magic really call Dwight’s Bluff?

“It used to be that the home team had the advantage even if the player wanted to go to a different team, because they could utilize a sign-and-trade to give the player the best contract, and still get something in return for their departing player. But the new CBA nearly eliminated this advantage. Now with a sign-and-trade, the player can only get four years and 4.5% raises — the same contract he can get by signing with that team directly. If the team has the cap room to sign him, then there is no reason for Dwight to go to Orlando to get a sign-and-trade.

The only time a sign-and-trade is needed is if Dwight wants to go to a team that doesn’t have the cap room to offer him the contract he wants. For instance, if he wants to go to the Lakers this summer, the only way he can get there is by signing for the mid-level, or through a sign-and-trade. But we already know he has NJ and Dallas on his list and both of those teams will have sufficient cap room.

If Orlando knew that none of Dwight’s preferred teams will have cap room, then maybe they can call his bluff and say, “Fine, leave on your own, because unless you want to play in someplace like Indiana, you’ll need us this summer.” But we already know that two of Dwight’s preferred teams will have cap room. In other words, THERE IS NO BLUFF to call.”

The moral of this story is that not every team understands how things work, and it’s becoming clear that the Orlando Magic may not have as firm a grasp on their situation as they believe.

Either that or they are deliberately putting out false information which wouldn’t be a stretch either.

One thing is clear, in NBA money $3,419,344 over four years isn’t much of a deterrent, especially if its moving from Orlando to the top media market in the world.

[Cavsfan4life]

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Orlando can still offer him the most money right? Maybe they can S&T.

Proud of the Suns not dealing Amare at the deadline.

These players shouldn't have all the power. Screw 'em.

Ideally, you'd trade him to whoever you want to trade him to in a couple of weeks. Unfortunately others won't give up that much if they know he won't be locked up long-term.

ORL can offer more, but sign and trade rules have changed. I think it goes if you are signed with bird rights, you cant be traded for a year.

[Drewski]

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As far as the $ thing goes

If he's traded, he can still get the big contract Orl could offer, because his Bird Rights would xfer.

It’s been said in Magic circles that the only team that can give Dwight the most money is Orlando, again, not entirely true.“He could be traded on March 15, and his new team would inherit his Bird rights. If he opts out, the he could sign with that team for the maximum contract — 5 years, 7.5% raises — just the same as he could with Orlando if he’s not traded. This is obviously what Dwight wants to do — get traded to the team he wants to be with long-term, opt-out, and re-sign with them. He gets the best contract, AND the team of his choice.”

Now, if he becomes a FA he can only sign a 4 year contract outside of ORL (5 with Orlando), and this is what it looks like

The other factor is the raises. Let’s compare apples to apples — a four-year deal in either case. With 7.5% raises he gets $84,533,793 over four years (his starting salary is $18,996,358 whether he re-signs or changes teams). With 4.5% raises it’s $81,114,449 over four years — a difference of $3,419,344 over four years, or an average of about $855K per year.

So the REAL question is, which choice does Dwight make:

A) Re-sign with Orlando to get an extra $855K per year and insurance for that fifth year; or

B) Sign with the team of his choice for $855K less per year, and waiting 3 years for the opportunity to lock in the salary for year 5.

As far as the S/T thing goes, really only scenario where that would be needed if he becomes a free agent, and decides he wants to sign with a team that doesnt have available cap room (Lakers, Chicago, for example). Then Magic could work in a S/T Scenario and get pieces back. But it really isn't much different than trading him pre-deadline. That, and the fact that two of the places he "wants" to go will have the space (Dallas, NJ). So Orl cant really rely on the S/T angle to get pieces in return. Although, if Dwight wants that extra $$ he'd be losing out on the bird rights (3 million and the guaranteed 5th year, I guess) he'd have to move through a S/T, though it would become alot sloppier for anyone involved.

[cam21224]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219208/Source_Bucks_Willing_To_Listen_To_Offers_For_Bogut

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