Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[areobee401]

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Magic have no choice but to keep Gilbert Arenas. No team is going to give Orlando anything value worthy in return.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Something about that ain't right because using that example, if the Nets use the amnesty clause on Travis OutLOL, then not only would we not free up cap space from doing that but we'd still have to pay him.

So in a way, it would basically defeat the purpose of the Amnesty Clause.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah I'm not sure the amnesty clause is such a big help anymore...

Someone explain?

[Drewski]

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- Players waived using this provision are not counted in the team's team salary (see question number 14) when computing the amount of luxury tax the team owes

The amnesty provision only affects the team's tax obligation.
- For example, if a team waived a player with a $10 million salary, and ended up $15 million over the tax level, then they would only owe $5 million in luxury tax (saving $10 million). However, the tax savings does not necessarily equal the player's salary -- if the team ended up just $3 million over the tax level then they would only save $3 million (owing no tax at all). If they ended up below the tax level, then there is no tax to be paid so they wouldn't realize any savings at all. On the other hand, it's possible for the net savings to exceed the player's salary. If a team's amnesty cut takes them from above the tax level to below it, then in addition to not owing any tax they will also receive a tax distribution.

-The team must continue to pay the player, his salary continues to count against their salary cap, and all other salary calculations are unaffected. However, the team may not re-sign or re-acquire the player for the length of the terminated contract. In all other respects, the player is treated just like any other waived player (see question number 56 for more information on waivers).

-Released (waived) players with guaranteed contracts continue to be included in team salary. Players whose contracts are not guaranteed are included in team salary in the amount they made while they were with the team. Players on non-guaranteed "summer contracts" are not included in team salary unless they make the regular season roster.

-The team and player may negotiate a revised payment schedule to be utilized in the event the player is waived. This revised payment schedule may call for the guaranteed portion of the player's contract to be paid over a longer or shorter period of time than originally specified in the contract, or even as a lump sum. This is often referred to as a "spread provision." Also see question numbers 62 and 63. Even if the payment schedule is altered, the team's team salary is charged for the same number of seasons as specified in the original contract.
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Bullet points I took out of it that make it make sense in my head. Taken through multiple portions of the FAQ (if you want reference links I'll get em', it's kinda dicey so another set of eyes never hurts lol). Just looking at Outlaw's contract and the Net's salary situation, you're correct. They wouldn't save any money. They'd cut a player for no reason and continue to pay him (in a provisioned contract spread).

Just looking at Outlaw's contract and the Net's salary, you're correct. They wouldn't save any money. They'd cut a player for no reason and continue to pay him (in a provisioned contract spread).

For the example of Travis Outlaw and the Nets current salary on the books, they have a total of $39,814,161 on the books (most up to date I have currently. They have a team option on Stephen Graham and a Qualifying Offer on Ben Uzoh). The Salary "Soft" Cap is $58,044,000. Everything over that counts as "luxury".

Travis Outlaw is owed $7,000,000 for the next four years.

If any of those years the Nets salary is over the $58,044,000 (projected cap for the new CBA), they have that 7 million reservoir from amnestying Travis Outlaw. If the next four years, the same four years that Outlaw's contract was for, the Nets are over the cap mark, they will have 7 mill automatically deducted, basically. However, if they never are over that cap magic number, they never "save" money, aside from having potentially provisioned the contract to a layout more suitable for either side.

Another thing to keep in mind, that salary number as far as the "cap" generally goes up every year. So the Nets would have to spend more to dip into the amnesty "savings".

Err.... what?

Which all adds up to the fact that Vince Carter is definitely getting Waived by the Suns. No way they pay him his full $18,000,000 if they can get out of non-guaranteed money. That's one of the few ways you can legitimately save money. They'll purely save 14 million by waiving Vince.

[a_maz_ing]

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Team would have to be gutted inside out. It's have to be Bynum Odom for Howard, Pau + for Cp3. New Orleans doesn't want Pau so you'd need a 3rd team interested in pau that has a centerpiece the Hornets would like to build around. Would fall on Kupchak gming it up and finding the 3rd partner bwith assets who want Pau, identifying those pieces, then presenting it to NO. "hey we'd like to discuss trading 'assets' for Paul, we have them lined up as it stands if you are interested.".

It's never happening but im just entertaining it.

I don't think it happens, like I said the chances are very slim, but the thought highly entertains me. I'd rather just find a way to get D12 though and keep Paul

I would still probably get people telling me that Kobe wasn't the most helped superstar in league history and they'd bring up the 1.5 years where he had Kwame and Smush.

A Laker fan not praising Kobe? That is a first. Not to get off topic but can you explain the bolded?

[ex carrabba fan]

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No hate on Kobe at all, and not to get off topic, but I just get a kick out of fans who criticize Player A for wanting to team up with other superstars, but don't see that their own favorite player, Player B has been coddled his entire career outside of a year.

It was more a shot at those fans.

IDK Amazing, I personally wouldn't want to win that way with Paul and Howard coming over, assuming they could get to the finals. It's a cheap and empty way to win. The spirit of competition isn't to get the best center in the game, the best point guard in the game and add him to the team with the best or second best shooting guard in the game. It just shouldn't work that way.

Now let's be honest, there's slim chances it even happens, but what I'm saying is, the mere fact that people want it to happen, I just can't condone that as a Laker fan.

[LingeringRegime]

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That is very noble of you Ex.

[ex carrabba fan]

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That is very noble of you Ex.

I don't think it is at all bro, with Pau coming over for nothing (initially), I mean that was enough. Enough is enough. I'm not saying those two titles were "cheap" in anyway, but LA was certainly more than fortunate to end up with Gasol without giving up Andrew or Lamar.

I do understand that Kobe is getting older, and maybe soon the team is going to eventually be scrapped, but there's no way Paul and Howard should be allowed to play with Kobe until he's on his deathbed.

[a_maz_ing]

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No hate on Kobe at all, and not to get off topic, but I just get a kick out of fans who criticize Player A for wanting to team up with other superstars, but don't see that their own favorite player, Player B has been coddled his entire career outside of a year.

It was more a shot at those fans.

IDK Amazing, I personally wouldn't want to win that way with Paul and Howard coming over, assuming they could get to the finals. It's a cheap and empty way to win. The spirit of competition isn't to get the best center in the game, the best point guard in the game and add him to the team with the best or second best shooting guard in the game. It just shouldn't work that way.

Now let's be honest, there's slim chances it even happens, but what I'm saying is, the mere fact that people want it to happen, I just can't condone that as a Laker fan.

Oh ok I can see that argument about teaming up.
Adding all those people to Kobe would be a lil stacked. Definitely would not look good on his resume. I'd be lying if I said the thought wasn't tantalizing me but I would honestly prefer just to have one or the other. I think it is too a team's disadvantage realistically to have all those starts co-exist (via free agency) money and chemistry wise.

I don't think it is at all bro, with Pau coming over for nothing (initially), I mean that was enough. Enough is enough. I'm not saying those two titles were "cheap" in anyway, but LA was certainly more than fortunate to end up with Gasol without giving up Andrew or Lamar.

I do understand that Kobe is getting older, and maybe soon the team is going to eventually be scrapped, but there's no way Paul and Howard should be allowed to play with Kobe until he's on his deathbed.

Yea GM worked his magic to get Pau over here in addition to Odom and Bynum.
Idk about you but I wouldn't be mad if neither comes. I feel if the Lakers can get a quality back up big, a young pg, someone athletic, or a shooter sooner than later the Lakers title window extends.
That being said, hypothetically, would you prefer CP3 or D12?
I think Dwight is a better and more durable player overall, but on the slight chance Bynum stays healthy through out his career I think CP3 fits a bigger need. The only problem is we are going to give up at least 1 big man to get D12 so if we are going to lose a great big we might as get one back...

[ex carrabba fan]

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I wouldn't be mad if

A. LA got neither, which IMO they will get neither
B. LA traded for one or the other
C. ESPN was wiped off the face of the planet

I don't have a preference really on either one of Paul or Howard. Beggars can't be choosers

Obviously either one of them is a top 5 talent. Assuming they'd have to deal Andrew and/or Lamar to get CP3, I'd rather have Howard if I had to choose gun to my head. Defensively dominant centers who are equally as dominant rebounders are always a safe bet. While CP3's knees look stable for now, they're not exactly a safe bet.

[ex carrabba fan]

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For you guys expecting DeAndre Jordan to stay with the Clippers for cheap, or to sign with anyone for cheap.. with this intitial offer, you can expect Jordan to probably end up at at least 10 million a year. There was no way he was gonna make any less than 8 a year. Meaning Nene and Chandler will undoubtedly cash in....

The Clippers have offered DeAndre Jordan a five-year, $40 million offer, according to sources.

Jordan, a restricted free agent, may still sign an offer sheet with a higher dollar amount that forces the Clippers to match.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports (via Twitter)

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217037/Clippers_Offer_DeAndre_Jordan_Five_Year_$40M_Deal# ixzz1fkGE4jcA

[bigfnjoe96]

@bigeast

As a person with a lot more insight into the Knicks' situation than I, do you think Amare can get it done for NY, or will they need a legit center and move him to the 4?

I don't think they have to go the "Big 3" route. You have Chauncey's expiring contract @ $14MM give or take. I would just let that roll off and go after a big like Kaman and a PG like Kyle Lowry next summer. I know they want to make NY star power central and they wanna win now, so that'll never happen. I just don't think they need CP3 in order to contend for a championship.

If you go with the former solution, you can still have some depth retaining guys like Douglas, Fields and Walker.

The goal for this year is to have Amaré play most of his minutes @ PF & sign a C in FA.

As for CP3, I'm somewhat torn. I believe he's the perfect PG in Pringles system, but getting him probably means trading young pieces such as Fields & Shumpert plus fillers. Not to mention getting a 3rd team involved.

I think we can make noise in the East with what we have right now. A break here & there & we could have 99 all over again ;-)

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[Jasong7777]

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I see the Lakers are going to try and NBA 2k it up.

[Kashanova]

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The goal for this year is to have Amaré play most of his minutes @ PF & sign a C in FA.

As for CP3, I'm somewhat torn. I believe he's the perfect PG in Pringles system, but getting him probably means trading young pieces such as Fields & Shumpert plus fillers. Not to mention getting a 3rd team involved.

I think we can make noise in the East with what we have right now. A break here & there & we could have 99 all over again ;-)

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If we get paul in free agency, we don't have to give up anything

[aholbert32]

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I don't think it is at all bro, with Pau coming over for nothing (initially), I mean that was enough. Enough is enough. I'm not saying those two titles were "cheap" in anyway, but LA was certainly more than fortunate to end up with Gasol without giving up Andrew or Lamar.

I do understand that Kobe is getting older, and maybe soon the team is going to eventually be scrapped, but there's no way Paul and Howard should be allowed to play with Kobe until he's on his deathbed.

I dont want Paul but I do want Howard. A Howard for Bynum/Odom and a pick trade is a decent one. I dont want Paul because I really dont want to hear people saying that the NBA gave us Paul on a platter. If the Hornets had an actual owner, I would have no problem with a Paul trade.