Who will be the rookie of the year?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I prefer per 40 for the most part but yeah. Irving has really good body control like someone said he's like a mixture of Allen Iverson and Chris Paul (in terms of efficiency). He's got a really good game.

Rubio is more or less an homage to the traditional Point Guards. He's not someone who looks for his own number think Rondo for a current comparison. He's a good floor leader and even though we concentrate on his flashy plays, his simple plays should get the most praise.

Both of them have high basketball I.Q.s especially when you consider the position they play.

Lastly is my sleeper the Swag Mamba. He's probably the best scorer in this draft. He plays for a horrible team but even as a Rookie he's one of the Nets best (probably 2 or 3) player. His court vision is lacking but he's a smart fundamentally sound player.

What I see for averages in the future: [PTS, REB, AST, STLS BLK]

Irving: 22/5/10/1.5/0.8
Rubio: 16/5/12/2.5/.4
Brooks: 26/6/3/1/.5

Obviously these are just hypotheticals and their ceilings could be higher or lower or they can achieve numbers in this neighborhood but from this sample size that's what I can see.

Irving needs an athletic perimeter wing that can score effectively to play with to maximize his potential.

Rubio needs to be more efficiently scoring.

Swag Mamba just needs more touches as well as improving his defense and passing.

Irving and Rubio have the highest ceilings. Not sure what to gage MarSwag on he can either become a Poor Man's Nick Young/Jordan Crawford, or a Poor Man's Kobe (the older version with less athleticism) but then again a Poor Man's Old Kobe ain't that bad. I'm just still trying to see where his ceiling is part of me thinks he might have hit it already and just needs more touches considering he doesn't have elite athleticism, while another part thinks he's still got somethings he can learn.

Just ramblings of a mad man.

I think Rubio compares very well to Jason Kidd when he was first entering the league. Rubio already does a great job rebounding for his position, and he's obviously one of the best passers/best court vision in the league already (at least in my opinion), and he can knock down open 3's and isn't petrified to shoot jumpers like Rondo was for awhile. And also, Rondo is much more athletically gifted than Rubio, whereas Rubio seems to just use his high basketball IQ to know how to keep guys in front of him, read passing lanes, read defenses, etc.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

I prefer per 40 for the most part but yeah. Irving has really good body control like someone said he's like a mixture of Allen Iverson and Chris Paul (in terms of efficiency). He's got a really good game.

Rubio is more or less an homage to the traditional Point Guards. He's not someone who looks for his own number think Rondo for a current comparison. He's a good floor leader and even though we concentrate on his flashy plays, his simple plays should get the most praise.

Both of them have high basketball I.Q.s especially when you consider the position they play.

Lastly is my sleeper the Swag Mamba. He's probably the best scorer in this draft. He plays for a horrible team but even as a Rookie he's one of the Nets best (probably 2 or 3) player. His court vision is lacking but he's a smart fundamentally sound player.

What I see for averages in the future: [PTS, REB, AST, STLS BLK]

Irving: 22/5/10/1.5/0.8
Rubio: 16/5/12/2.5/.4
Brooks: 26/6/3/1/.5

Obviously these are just hypotheticals and their ceilings could be higher or lower or they can achieve numbers in this neighborhood but from this sample size that's what I can see.

Irving needs an athletic perimeter wing that can score effectively to play with to maximize his potential.

Rubio needs to be more efficiently scoring.

Swag Mamba just needs more touches as well as improving his defense and passing.

Irving and Rubio have the highest ceilings. Not sure what to gage MarSwag on he can either become a Poor Man's Nick Young/Jordan Crawford, or a Poor Man's Kobe (the older version with less athleticism) but then again a Poor Man's Old Kobe ain't that bad. I'm just still trying to see where his ceiling is part of me thinks he might have hit it already and just needs more touches considering he doesn't have elite athleticism, while another part thinks he's still got somethings he can learn.

Just ramblings of a mad man.

I was so confused about who you were talking about. But yes I watched his yesterday for the first time. I do like Brooks. But I don't think he is on the level of Rubio/Irving. I think he is going to be a very good player. I think the most he can be is a number 2 type of player. He will make a lot of money. But he is in that Joe Johnson type player in my opinion. A guy who has number one talent but doesn't show it on the floor when he is a number.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

There's no reason for him to be a Rubio/Irving type player and I don't even think I would want him to. Don't even think he a Joe Johnson type of player right now either, but a more consistent Nick Young except he can do a little bit more than Young.

To me, he needs to hit that gym first off and then if he can improve his Defense and his decision making, then he'll be alright in this league.

[DukeC]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

There's no reason for him to be a Rubio/Irving type player and I don't even think I would want him to. Don't even think he a Joe Johnson type of player right now either, but a more consistent Nick Young except he can do a little bit more than Young.

To me, he needs to hit that gym first off and then if he can improve his Defense and his decision making, then he'll be alright in this league.

Ehh. Young (Who plays much more like Young Kobe than MarSwag) can do things athletically that Brooks can't. Joe Johnson is a good comparison in that neither really aren't going to blow by you, thier just going to make shots. Of course, Joe Johnson is built like a freaking tank so that doesn't really work either.

Also, Brooks is in a better situation than Young at the moment as he's merely on a team with bad players, than on a team with bad players AND demeanors (Though Young himself is part of the problem. Ballhog describes him aptly ).

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Nick Young is nothing but a certified chucker that only cares about getting his. Been like that since he was carrying Arenas' bag around when he was drafted. That's why I said Brooks is a more consistent version of Nick Young and that's only right now.

Same for the Joe Johnson comparison because JJ can still post his man in the paint to which most of the time he draws contact and ends up at the line. MarShon can't do that just yet because he's too small right now but once he's able to get an actual offseason in, then that'll come with time. But he's also blessed to be playing with a PG like Deron who also able to create looks for him as well(those 2 are damn good in the PnR).

[HMcCoy]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

According to basketball-reference, he's actually projected at about 22.5 PPG over 36 minutes, but yeah, certainly seems like he's been playing well. I haven't gotten to see much of him though, and Rubio certainly looks like the real deal as well.

Per 36 minutes, Irving is projected at 22.5 PPG, 6.7 APG, 4.5 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 4.4 Turnovers Per, and doing all of this while shooting the ball 17.5 times per game. Pretty good.

Rubio is projected at 12.1 PPG, 9.4 APG, 5.2 RPG, 2.6 SPG, 3.7 turnovers per, and doing it while shooting the ball 9.7 times per game. Rubio actually turns it over at a higher rate than Irving, but the difference is that Irving's usage is close to being twice as high as Rubio's.

Anthony Parker is out with a back strain, so Irving logged 35 and 36 minutes over the last 2 games, instead of the 25-28 he usually gets. After the PHX game he was at 27 and some change per 36, but his usage and per numbers will fall with him and Sessions playing heavy minutes together now. Irving is nowhere near the same player off the ball...

I think it's Rubios award to lose as the T-wolves have become everyones fav loveable losers, while the Cavs while playing good ball, will get no attention until the national media starts talking up Kyrie.

[Drewski]

Kyrie has a large spotlight being the first piece post Lebron. Guys doing great from when I've seen him?

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[HMcCoy]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Irving better than Paul, LeBron as rookie?


Koolaid --->

[jeebs9]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

I didn't finish reading the article above. But off the top of my head I was say yea. Irving is playing better than Paul did his rookie year. But I don't know about LeBron's rookie. Didn't he finish with 20 5 5. I don't think Paul averaged more than 5-6 assist a game. Let me double check.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Kyrie has been playing very good ball but I would hold off on calling him better than Paul or LeBron as rookies. He is only 13 games in. I need to see a lot more than 13 games before making those kind of statements. I will give him so far that he has been damn good.

Main reason i would say hold off is we have seen this before from other guys. Remember just a couple of years ago after Brandon Jennings first few games everybody was calling him the second coming of Allen Iverson but with a jumpshot. He had that monster 55 point game and the world was going crazy calling him a lock for ROY and an all star. Through his first 13 games he was at 23 points,5.8 assists, 4.5 rebounds, and shooting 48 percent from three. Needless to say Jennings hasn't lived up to all that hype since then and isn't anything close to Iverson.

Now I will say that I believe Irving will be better than Jennings(Irvings fundamentals and intangables are far better plus i like Irvings way of play better) but the point is people shouldn't jump the gun too soon saying his year is better than Paul and LeBron. Those guys did it for the entire season. I don't want to and others really shouldn't compare 13 games to 78 and 79 games(he is without question a better shooter than both of those guys was at the time though). If he keeps up his level of play I will give him the credit he derserves and if he gets the Cavs in the playoffs he deserves even more love.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

I didn't finish reading the article above. But off the top of my head I was say yea. Irving is playing better than Paul did his rookie year. But I don't know about LeBron's rookie. Didn't he finish with 20 5 5. I don't think Paul averaged more than 5-6 assist a game. Let me double check.

Paul's averaged 7.8 assists as a rookie. His numbers as a whole was 16 points, 5 boards, 7.8 assists, 2.2 steals, and a PER of 22.1. Very good numbers. His FG percentage and 3pt percentage was low at 43 and 28 percent.

[drshorty31]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

i think Shumpert will make it far in the nba , he has good defense , athleticism, and a jumpshot. if he can develop some post moves he'll be a solid player.

hes second behind Chris Paul in steals thats beast.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Steals****p?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

kid can play defense.

[rickyony]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

I would say Jeff Teague, but he's already played a season before. He's got tons of talent in him.

[ballsohard]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Kyrie will win ROY, but Rubio will have the better career/be the better PG.

[44drob]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

My vote goes to rubio or irving