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  • Tha_Kid
    All Star
    • Oct 2002
    • 6550

    #1081
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
    I'd say DeAndre Jordan.

    Thabeet has been a complete bust.

    And it's nice and dandy that Drummond has worked on his jumper since he himself compares himself to Kevin Durant.

    But does anyone have an idea if he's worked on his post game at all?
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    I do not want MKG. He's basically the same pick as Chris Singleton last year. Beal/Robinson/Barnes make a lot more sense. Possibly even Drummond.

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    • b2tha2ndpwr
      Rookie
      • Aug 2005
      • 155

      #1082
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      Bobcats have apparently narrowed the No. 2 pick down to T-Rob, Brad Beal, and Harrison Barnes... No MKG or Drummond.

      http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...-or-brad-beal/

      I'm starting to think it's gonna be Beal, although I think Gerald Henderson's a better SG than people think (15 ppg, good athletic defender). But this high in the draft you've always gotta take who u think's gonna end up being the best player regardless of need. But if they do, I think they should move Hendo for someone that's gonna be able to play with him (maybe someone trades their 1st round pick for Hendeson and they go for a Harkless or something.

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      • BurnsideAdmiral
        Rookie
        • May 2011
        • 217

        #1083
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        I think for the Cavs Barnes would be the better pick than Beal. I think I'd even take Drummond over Beal. I think Drummond has more value as a pick and roll guy with Kyrie than Beal as a pure shooter. I know Beal has some ability to get to the rim but is he really the slasher or can get his own shot any time he wants like I've seen guys on other boards post about him? I know he averaged like 30+ in high school and even he'll admit he struggled this year but I would think Harrison Barnes is the better pure scorer between the two. And as for clutch ability and killer instinct and everything else Barnes apparently doesn't have, Kyrie does. I want the ball in his hands at the end of game, he's the franchise. I think that makes Barnes the better pick. He's not going to have the entire weight of the franchise on his shoulders. He'll simply just be lightening the load for Kyrie.

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        • dynamicswish
          Rookie
          • May 2012
          • 100

          #1084
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by b2tha2ndpwr
          Bobcats have apparently narrowed the No. 2 pick down to T-Rob, Brad Beal, and Harrison Barnes... No MKG or Drummond.

          http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...-or-brad-beal/

          I'm starting to think it's gonna be Beal, although I think Gerald Henderson's a better SG than people think (15 ppg, good athletic defender). But this high in the draft you've always gotta take who u think's gonna end up being the best player regardless of need. But if they do, I think they should move Hendo for someone that's gonna be able to play with him (maybe someone trades their 1st round pick for Hendeson and they go for a Harkless or something.
          Truthfully, I'm not sure about any of these choices. If they do decide to pick Beal, I'd suggest trading Hendo for the Maverick's 17th overall pick, since I read that they want to trade their pick for a veteran anyway. Then maybe consider Moe Harkless, Draymond Green, or possibly Arnett Moultrie.
          Last edited by dynamicswish; 06-17-2012, 04:38 PM.

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #1085
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            Originally posted by BurnsideAdmiral
            I think for the Cavs Barnes would be the better pick than Beal. I think I'd even take Drummond over Beal. I think Drummond has more value as a pick and roll guy with Kyrie than Beal as a pure shooter. I know Beal has some ability to get to the rim but is he really the slasher or can get his own shot any time he wants like I've seen guys on other boards post about him? I know he averaged like 30+ in high school and even he'll admit he struggled this year but I would think Harrison Barnes is the better pure scorer between the two. And as for clutch ability and killer instinct and everything else Barnes apparently doesn't have, Kyrie does. I want the ball in his hands at the end of game, he's the franchise. I think that makes Barnes the better pick. He's not going to have the entire weight of the franchise on his shoulders. He'll simply just be lightening the load for Kyrie.
            Just a workout, but everyone who witnessed the workout between the two said Beal outplayed Barnes.

            Swingmen are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Shooters are not.

            I'd put alot on Beal as being the better pure scorer right now.

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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
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              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #1086
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Personally, I think Barnes is going to be a very productive player at the next level. He reminds me a lot of Paul Pierce from like a year or two ago before he became painfully slow.

              Although Barnes had a great workout at the Combine. He didn't seem to play with nearly as much athleticism as he showed at the combine.
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              • bigeastbumrush
                My Momma's Son
                • Feb 2003
                • 19245

                #1087
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Barnes worked out at the Combine?

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #1088
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                  Barnes worked out at the Combine?
                  Where ever it was that he had his measureables. Had a great vertical and great 3/4 court time if I recall correctly.
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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #1089
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    I thought it was reported that other than doing measurments, he didn't participate at the combine?

                    Anyway, I still stand by my prediction that he'll be an updated, athletic version of Bruce Bowen, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing since Bowen was one of the best man defenders in the league.
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                    • J4son
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 212

                      #1090
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                      Where ever it was that he had his measureables. Had a great vertical and great 3/4 court time if I recall correctly.

                      38" no-step vert, 39.5" max vert, 15 bench, 10.93 agility, 3.16 sprint

                      I believe he ranked #2 for total athleticism at the combine.

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                      • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 17294

                        #1091
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        I thought it was reported that other than doing measurments, he didn't participate at the combine?

                        Anyway, I still stand by my prediction that he'll be an updated, athletic version of Bruce Bowen, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing since Bowen was one of the best man defenders in the league.
                        You think Barnes is that inept offensively?
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                        • bigeastbumrush
                          My Momma's Son
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 19245

                          #1092
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          Originally posted by J4son
                          38" no-step vert, 39.5" max vert, 15 bench, 10.93 agility, 3.16 sprint

                          I believe he ranked #2 for total athleticism at the combine.
                          Wasn't he Top 5 worst in body fat % ?

                          Not suggesting anything because I'm sure Paul Pierce is a candidate for worst body fat % in the NBA.

                          Just asking.

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                          • OSUFan_88
                            Outback Jesus
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 25642

                            #1093
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            The problem with Barnes is that his dribbling ability is worse than remedial. It's horrendous. If he could handle the ball with even capable abilities, he'd be an easy top 5 selection. But he cannot.

                            Beal, on the other hand, was severely hindered by having worse than poor point guard play and adjusting. His stroke is sweet, smooth, pure, ect. He can dish the ball, rebound incredibly for his size, and is gifted athletically. He's about average size, maybe slightly below average, but his skills are that of a great player.
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                            Urban Meyer is lol.

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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #1094
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Someone's probably posted this before, but for anyone interested, the videos on youtube from TheMikeSchmitz for all the draft prospects are very, very well done. Great way to get to know some of the prospects that you might not have gotten to watch all the time this past year.

                              Here's the list of prospects that he's made video breakdowns for:
                              Arnett Moultrie
                              Tyler Zeller
                              Austin Rivers
                              Harrison Barnes
                              Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
                              Meyers Leonard
                              Moe Harkless
                              Dion Waiters
                              Kendall Marshall
                              Bradley Beal
                              Jeremy Lamb
                              Damian Lillard
                              Tyshawn Taylor
                              Royce White
                              Terrence Ross
                              Quincy Miller
                              Andre Drummond
                              Thomas Robinson
                              Tony Wroten
                              Perry Jones III

                              Edit: And I believe he's working on others still because Zeller and Moultrie were just added.
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                              • Rocky
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6896

                                #1095
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Originally posted by b2tha2ndpwr
                                Bobcats have apparently narrowed the No. 2 pick down to T-Rob, Brad Beal, and Harrison Barnes... No MKG or Drummond.

                                http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...-or-brad-beal/

                                I'm starting to think it's gonna be Beal, although I think Gerald Henderson's a better SG than people think (15 ppg, good athletic defender). But this high in the draft you've always gotta take who u think's gonna end up being the best player regardless of need. But if they do, I think they should move Hendo for someone that's gonna be able to play with him (maybe someone trades their 1st round pick for Hendeson and they go for a Harkless or something.
                                I'm not sure on Beal. I really like him as a player, but any combination of DJ/Kemba/Beal gives us a very small backcourt.

                                Plus I'm pretty sure that Henderson/Barnes is better than any thing we can get for Hendo/Beal. Henderson is one of the better defensive wings in the NBA and is improving his range offensively. Not sure I want to give him away yet unless it's for a proven star (ie to make room for Harden).

                                At this point, I would be happy with Robinson or Barnes but prefer Robinson who I think is the pefect PF prospect in today's NBA aside from his lack of height (but he does have a solid wingspan). He has the capability to defend and score from out to the perimeter...something we've only ever had when Diaw was occassionally skinny.
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