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Surprised so many people are so quick to ignore his frail frame. Outside of KG(who I think was stronger and more skilled than AD will ever be) what PF in the last dozen or so years has been an all-star as slender as Davis? Are better yet how many productive 4's in the league at all that slight of frame?Chris Bosh is bigger than Anthony Davis by a wide margin.
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Not to mention Bosh is way more skilled than Davis.Ofcourse he can grow. I'm saying he won't be able to do so and keep the motor, quick leaping ability, and timing. He's not skilled like Bosh I don't think he'll get as skilled as Bosh or Garnett. His game will be predicated on athletism, unlike Bosh or Garnett. Not saying he won't have an impact in the league, but it won't be frachise changer. Just solid defender a la Chandler or Camby. If that's good enough so be it, but that's not who I want with the 1st overall pick.I have watch videos of both and IMO I saw a base for improvement I don't see in Davis. They weren't as affective, but didn't look awkward. Davis looks awkward and every other player I've seen that post play looked awkward and wasn't already affective never made major improvements not one. Maybe Davis will be the first, however I wouldn't bank on it.Ok I'll give you the fact that there's an age difference. I just grab so random pics.
But even in the pics PPM posted Bosh has a more solid frame. And even he had to bulk up. The defference is like I said Bosh game is more about skill not athleticism. Skill is harder to offset than athletic ability.You looking at the Chair MAN!
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Rumor is NBA teams are getting the hots for Andrew Nicholson. Saying it's very unlikely he makes it out of the teens in the first round. Wow. That's gotta be good advertising for St. Bonaventure.
Supposedly Jerry West is falling in love with Tyler Zeller too...Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 06-25-2012, 03:56 PM.NFL: Bills
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I think he has the best timing on his blocks I've ever seen. And his motor is elite. To have a big defend out to the college 3point line is a thing of beauty. However I don't see him defending any of the PF's in the league with his current frame. If/when he adds weight I don't think he'll be nearly as explosive of a leaper to time his blocks as well.
As far as offense his skills were decent for the college level. His jumper looks good out to about 15ft. Great hands and decent ball handling for a big. My problems are with things like post moves and his off the dribble attacks. They look awkward because he doesn't have those skills. Even guys who struggle when they look fluid those are the guys who usually become elite post players. I can't recall one big that I watched that started out looking uncomfortable in the post that completely turned it around.Once again it's not solely his frame it's his frame combined with his skillset. Blake Griffin isn't skill at all but the combo of size, strength, and athleticism allows him to still play at a high level. Bosh and Garnett (who I think were both stronger than Davis coming into the league) has size and unbelievable skill ith above average athleticism. Davis just has athleticism in my opinion is margin for success is slimer because of it. I think he'll be a great help side defender but a bad to below average post defender.This is where we disagree. I've given him credit for the skills I've seen him display.
Once again I've never seen a player this frail looking. If you guys think he has the same body type of Garnett and Bosh than this discussion will never get pass that topic so no need to discuss it.
I'm sticking to my evaluation. If people are expecting a franchise changer I think they're going to be highly dissappointed. I think he's at best the 7th or 8th best player in this draft.Lol its to early to point out flaws in his game, but it's not too early to project him as a HOFer franchise changer. Yet everybody question my logic SMH.
I'm not sure when Davis has shown good strength and base. When you read scouting reports that's probably listed as his biggest flaws. And it's what I see when I watch footage of Davis. Ofcourse he may fill out and maybe exceed expectations. It's one person opinion based on the times I've seen him play and the vids that I watch from him. I see a frame thats more frail (for a post player) that I can ever remember seeing. A guy who at times was pushed around by college level talent and bodies. It didn't matter in college because he had the athleticism and length to recover. I don't see that happening at the next level. I have serious doubts that he'll be able to add sufficient weight while maintaining enough of an athletic advantage to be an "franchise changer". Apparently thinking for yourself is flawed logic.I think Garnett is the exception not the rule. Also I think although he was slender he is/was a lot stronger than Davis.
I'll agree the league has changed some. However I strongly disagree with the notion that most PF's aren't physical in the paint whether it's defensively/offensively/rebounding.
Agree to disagree again. Not many players can tack on 15-30lbs without losing athleticism.
Once again your opinion. 1st nobody can be wrong or right until it plays out.
I don't think there's anything foolish when I've seen Daivs at the college level have problems "banging". Guys at the next level are much stronger, skilled, and/or athletic in the post. To me him struggling in this area is a much more natural conclusion than the opposite.1st not in any of those statements do I say he won't make it in the NBA. I'm saying he won't be a franchise/perennial all-star player.
2nd just because people quote a few rare expection doesn't make it the rule. Plus I've already stated why I think those guys had/ are having great success while I think Davis will struggle.You looking at the Chair MAN!
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You were calling him a bust. Honestly, if Ibaka was coming out today (and to make the point very clear, lets say there is no Davis in the draft) and we had a crystal ball to know how he'd perform at this stage in his NBA career, he'd be a unanimous #1 pick too. So you now saying he'd be like Ibaka contradicts your original objection to him going #1.You looking at the Chair MAN!
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Hearing some comparisons to David West and I can see that.Saints, LSU, Seminoles, Pelicans, Marlins, LightningComment
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I'm definitely looking forward to this draft more so than any other in recent years. Mainly because I want to see what moves are made, where the Tar Heels go and what my Celtics going to do with their 2 first round picks. I have seen it talked about that Harrisons' game is better suited for the NBA so really hope he proves a lot of people wrong and does good in the NBA. Saw that he showed some good athleticism having the highest vertical and the fastest time in some relay. Going to be interesting to see what he Cats do also (their name has gotten worse IMO) think they should pick T. Robinson cause they need some toughness, well along with a lot of other things.-= Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.=- Edward MurphyComment
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Green Room Invites: Davis, Robinson, Beal, Kidd Gilchrist, Barnes, Lillard, Waiters, Lamb, Drummond, Rivers, Henson, Zeller, Leonard.Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Terrence Ross gets 14th Green Room invite w/Davis, T-Rob, Beal, MKG, Barnes, Lillard, Waiters, Rivers, Drummond, Lamb, Henson Zeller LeonardJonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Still waiting on Green Room Invites/Not Invited: Marshall, Sullinger, Ross, Harkless, Moultrie, Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, everyone else.Last edited by bigeastbumrush; 06-25-2012, 05:31 PM.Comment
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If we knew what Ibaka would be 2 years in and didn't know anything about anyone else in this draft's 2 years in nba potential, you don't think Ibaka would go #1? Any particular reason bc I get the feeling you're just saying that to maintain your Davis argument.Comment
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Crap. Best case scenario for Boston is Royce White and Andrew Nicholson, they would be perfect fits.Wolverines Packers Cubs Celtics
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Well I assume he still could. Don't they usually invite a couple more guys closer to the actual date?
And anyways, Jones hasn't been a lock for the lottery, so it's not that big a surprise.NFL: Bills
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I'm surprised that Leonard is above Zeller in so many mocks now. I seem to be the only person on the planet that likes Zeller. I wouldn't take Leonard over him in a million years."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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I think Zeller will just be a steady presence for a team. I think he can excel in a role just like Hansbrough.NFL: Bills
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