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BlueNGold, I agree that its risky because Waiters did come off the bench, but he got starter minutes. Also, last year we took someone who only played 11 games. Kyrie was more well known. IMO as long as we see the skills there, it shouldnt matter if a player started or not. Fun fact, Grant was with both franchises that drafted a bench player with a top 5 pick.Comment
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One other slight red flag to me though: Syracuse plays a 2-3 zone so Waiters didn't play any man defense. Obviously that's not what he was drafted for, but it would have been nice to know if he can defend in 1 on 1 situations. I think he'll be able to considering his size, strength, and athleticism but who knows.
Anyways, after taking everything in since last night, I'm starting to come around on how the draft played out for Cleveland. At the very least the Cavs should be a fast, athletic team that will be fun to watch.Originally posted by bradtxmaleI like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.
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That's what I was hoping the case was.
One other slight red flag to me though: Syracuse plays a 2-3 zone so Waiters didn't play any man defense. Obviously that's not what he was drafted for, but it would have been nice to know if he can defend in 1 on 1 situations. I think he'll be able to considering his size, strength, and athleticism but who knows.
Anyways, after taking everything in since last night, I'm starting to come around on how the draft played out for Cleveland. At the very least the Cavs should be a fast, athletic team that will be fun to watch.
I really think you Cleveland fans are going to cone around on waiters.
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Lucas, it takes two to tango. You cannot say "I want to trade back" and then it magically happens. Gotta have a dance partner. And you have to make sure you still get that guy you want.
I just hope the Cavs are right. This pick is a "I'm smarter than everyone in the room" type pick. I hope Grant is right here. He's been a part of the only organizations to take a player in the lotto who hasn't started for his team *Marvin Williams and now Dion Waiters*I just don't like the fact Waiters wasn't even a starter at Syracuse. That scares me taking a guy who wasn't a starter in college in the top 5.
About him weighing more than Anthony Davis, what did you expect? Davis was on his way to being a guard before he had that freakish growth spurt. He's still growing into his new body. Waiters has had years to put that on without growing.
This was a very good pick for Cleveland. They got who they wanted, which is what everyone is overlooking. I think it will be a better pick than Harrison Barnes, because unlike Barnes, Waiters can create his own shot, defend better and has no problem getting to the basket. Barnes needed a guy like Kyrie to set him up the way Kendall Marshall had done this year. He also can't dribble more than twice without losing the ball. He's no lock to be great as every player in the entire draft is.
Cleveland had a good draft guys. Calm down and take a deep breath. You got a steal in Tyler Zeller who is the most NBA ready center of the bunch as late as you did and an explosive guard who will complement Kyrie well.
Bradley Beal is the bigger reach at three. Everyone knew of Waiters' potential as the season progressed. No one, and I mean no one, was pegging Bradley Beal to go this high in the lottery. Not even during the Tournament. All of a sudden he was the darling of the analysts a few weeks ago. Don't make sense to me. Waiters has a better body of work over two years.Last edited by jhawk826; 06-29-2012, 09:34 AM.NCAA BB: Syracuse Orange
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The Dion Waiters pick reminds me of the Russell Westbrook pick in 2008. Everybody was wondering why they picked him that high, but they aren't saying a thing now. Waiters can have that same type of impact. He's really good. The Cavs did well. They got who they WANTED. Who cares if he went a few spots "too early."
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I think Cleveland was a good fit for Waiters, but I think he's destined for a sixth man role on a winning team, whereas they could have gotten a starter for a long time in Harrsion Barnes.
Edit: Here's what you'll get with Waiters.
Strengths: Finishing ability, plays passing lanes, swagger
Weaknesses: Not a willing passer (but has the skill to be a passer if someone can talk some sense in to him, but I think that will be tough because of the next weakness), swagger, doesn't give his best effort on defense, shot selection, inconsistent jumper/poor mechanics
Waiters will be able to penetrate and finish around the rim right away, and he'll get steals because he's very good at playing the passing lanes and reaches in like crazy. However, I think he'll be foul prone early in his career because even in our zone, he didn't move his feet well defensively, got lost in rotations, and generally didn't seem to put forth his best effort to stay in front of guys; just went for blocks and steals all the time and used his hands rather than his feet. There will be games where his awkward looking jumper is absolute money, and he has great range on his shot, but he was incredibly inconsistent. He had 11 games where he shot less than 40% this past season, and after Fab's first suspension, Waiters abandoned his attacking ways and began settling for contested jumpers far too often. He also passed up wide open shots for his teammates and preferred to take contested fade-aways instead.
He won over the Syracuse fan base because he overcame a poor freshman season and became a highlight machine in his sophomore campaign, but I have big questions about his basketball IQ, willingness to move his feet on defense and work on his jumpshot. I think that he thinks he's much much better than he actually is, which could either hurt or help him.Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 06-29-2012, 09:47 AM.NFL: Bills
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I need NBATV to get their own coverage of the Draft next year because BSPN's coverage was horrible last night.
They literally made every player seem like they were coming from the worst hardships ever laid upon man. Don't get me wrong, some of the players did come from or dealt with some ****ed up situations but they damn near had a sob story for every player.#RespectTheCultureComment
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I need NBATV to get their own coverage of the Draft next year because BSPN's coverage was horrible last night.
They literally made every player seem like they were coming from the worst hardships ever laid upon man. Don't get me wrong, some of the players did come from or dealt with some ****ed up situations but they damn near had a sob story for every player.
ESPN can go **** themselves for interviewing that little girl.Comment
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dude saying Beal is a reach at 3?..Where else could we have gone?..we needed a shooter and he's one of the best shooters in this draft, can't wait to see him and Wall get it going togetherWashington Redskins
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It's probably a good thing Waiters was picked by Byron Scott's team. Scott will push him HARD to get better. If he thought Boeheim was tough, he better watch out for Byron's foot going up his ***.Too Old To Game Club
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After the Jayla interview was when I switched to full "I'll deal with Charles and Shaq not knowing who anyone is over this."Lions, Tigers, Pistons, Michigan
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I like the second guessing of Deion Waiters by Cavs fans. Ya'll must not know about this man. He will be a great asset for the Cavs. Rest assured.Comment
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I was going to post something similar this morning about ESPN's draft coverage.
1. Cutting to Jeremy Lamb's father when he burst out in tears and he actually turned his head away and the cameraman stood right on him. Let that man live and have his moment.
2. Asking MKG's mother about her dead brother/MKG's uncle AND his stuttering problem when he just reached his dreams was a low as someone could go.
3. Who doesn't know Thomas Robinson's story by now. Asking that young man about that at THAT time? And then dude's little sister????? I don't like calling for people's jobs but that was just some of the worst reporting I've ever witnessed.Comment
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