Nuggest vs Cavaliers

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keRplunK said:
He's actually doing great. The hype will make it look like he's struggling. Basically he's a good dribbler, good passer, very athletic. He lacks court awarness on defense, he's not agressive enough, he can't shoot, not a good on the ball defender, should be a better rebounder. Give him 4-5 years though...when he's 22-23, and he should be the best player in the NBA.

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So what you're saying is 4 years from now, Lebron will be a better player than Kobe, Tmac, Pierce, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, and Iverson...............That's some skills I'd love to see!!!!!!

[keRplunK]

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If he has the work ethic, he should be BY FAR the best player in the league. He has the potential to AVERAGE a triple double.

[keRplunK]

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If he has the work ethic, he should be BY FAR the best player in the league. He has the potential to AVERAGE a triple double.

[keRplunK]

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If he has the work ethic, he should be BY FAR the best player in the league. He has the potential to AVERAGE a triple double.

[WTF]

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Well, while I agree with what some of you are saying, there are a few things that I disagree with. One being that Lebron can't take someone off of the dribble? That is just ludacris. He shook Christie the other night a few times, and Christie is one of the tightest playing defenders in the League. Taking Shawn Marion to the hoop by shaking him off? The kid can take anyone off of the dribble. He just needs the ball, and a little bit more agressive mentality about the game. He has the talent to be a GREAT player this year.

Yes, his defense is lackluster at best, and he will continue to improve in that area, but saying he can't take someone off the dribble is just crazy. I do feel that he should have the ball in his hands starting on the wing, and not up top. From the wing position, he would be able to drive to the middle and dish/ take it, drive baseline and dish/shoot, and take a lot of the focus away from "Z" which would free "Z" up to make the shots that he is capable of.

The next thing is that he cannot shoot. So far this season he has not showed his ability to shoot. He has been fatigued, and his shooting will get better after he gets his legs back. Example, being the Kings game. First game of the season, he shoots a respectable percentage. Same with Melo, he has a decent shooting game, becomes tired, loses the spring in his Jumper, and all of the sudden has an off night in shooting. Do I hear people saying Carmelo can't shoot, no. Instead I hear, Carmelo is a Scorer. That is true, he is a scorer, and if Lebron was on the Nuggets, where he had unselfish teammates, he would be a scorer as well.

However, if Lebron takes too many shots, Cleveland will fall to pieces because Ricky "I shoot way too much for my skill level" Davis, and Darius "What jumpshot" Miles will get upset, and Lebron doesn't want that.

If they can get rid of Davis or Miles in the offseason, they will be better off, or even trade them this season. Davis is too immature as a player to fit into Lebron's game. Darius seems like he would be okay with Lebron's style of playing, because if the shot is not there, he will find the open man. And anything that will make Miles have it easier, he will be for it.

That is just my $0.02.

[WTF]

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Well, while I agree with what some of you are saying, there are a few things that I disagree with. One being that Lebron can't take someone off of the dribble? That is just ludacris. He shook Christie the other night a few times, and Christie is one of the tightest playing defenders in the League. Taking Shawn Marion to the hoop by shaking him off? The kid can take anyone off of the dribble. He just needs the ball, and a little bit more agressive mentality about the game. He has the talent to be a GREAT player this year.

Yes, his defense is lackluster at best, and he will continue to improve in that area, but saying he can't take someone off the dribble is just crazy. I do feel that he should have the ball in his hands starting on the wing, and not up top. From the wing position, he would be able to drive to the middle and dish/ take it, drive baseline and dish/shoot, and take a lot of the focus away from "Z" which would free "Z" up to make the shots that he is capable of.

The next thing is that he cannot shoot. So far this season he has not showed his ability to shoot. He has been fatigued, and his shooting will get better after he gets his legs back. Example, being the Kings game. First game of the season, he shoots a respectable percentage. Same with Melo, he has a decent shooting game, becomes tired, loses the spring in his Jumper, and all of the sudden has an off night in shooting. Do I hear people saying Carmelo can't shoot, no. Instead I hear, Carmelo is a Scorer. That is true, he is a scorer, and if Lebron was on the Nuggets, where he had unselfish teammates, he would be a scorer as well.

However, if Lebron takes too many shots, Cleveland will fall to pieces because Ricky "I shoot way too much for my skill level" Davis, and Darius "What jumpshot" Miles will get upset, and Lebron doesn't want that.

If they can get rid of Davis or Miles in the offseason, they will be better off, or even trade them this season. Davis is too immature as a player to fit into Lebron's game. Darius seems like he would be okay with Lebron's style of playing, because if the shot is not there, he will find the open man. And anything that will make Miles have it easier, he will be for it.

That is just my $0.02.

[WTF]

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Well, while I agree with what some of you are saying, there are a few things that I disagree with. One being that Lebron can't take someone off of the dribble? That is just ludacris. He shook Christie the other night a few times, and Christie is one of the tightest playing defenders in the League. Taking Shawn Marion to the hoop by shaking him off? The kid can take anyone off of the dribble. He just needs the ball, and a little bit more agressive mentality about the game. He has the talent to be a GREAT player this year.

Yes, his defense is lackluster at best, and he will continue to improve in that area, but saying he can't take someone off the dribble is just crazy. I do feel that he should have the ball in his hands starting on the wing, and not up top. From the wing position, he would be able to drive to the middle and dish/ take it, drive baseline and dish/shoot, and take a lot of the focus away from "Z" which would free "Z" up to make the shots that he is capable of.

The next thing is that he cannot shoot. So far this season he has not showed his ability to shoot. He has been fatigued, and his shooting will get better after he gets his legs back. Example, being the Kings game. First game of the season, he shoots a respectable percentage. Same with Melo, he has a decent shooting game, becomes tired, loses the spring in his Jumper, and all of the sudden has an off night in shooting. Do I hear people saying Carmelo can't shoot, no. Instead I hear, Carmelo is a Scorer. That is true, he is a scorer, and if Lebron was on the Nuggets, where he had unselfish teammates, he would be a scorer as well.

However, if Lebron takes too many shots, Cleveland will fall to pieces because Ricky "I shoot way too much for my skill level" Davis, and Darius "What jumpshot" Miles will get upset, and Lebron doesn't want that.

If they can get rid of Davis or Miles in the offseason, they will be better off, or even trade them this season. Davis is too immature as a player to fit into Lebron's game. Darius seems like he would be okay with Lebron's style of playing, because if the shot is not there, he will find the open man. And anything that will make Miles have it easier, he will be for it.

That is just my $0.02.

[HMcCoy]

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NovaStar said:
You are correct, in no way shape or form am I comparing Melo or Lebron to Jordan. What I am saying is that Lebron doesn't have the game he has been hyped to have. You say he was hyped as good around the basket and a distributor, I say he was hyped as the second coming. To that end his nba game is no where near being the best player in a couple of years. Is he a solid player?...yes. Melo is a scorer, the fans love a scorer. If you think that Nike and all the other endorsers that Lebron has acquired are going to be satisfied with him being a distributor and active around the basket you are sadly mistaken. The cav fans will tire of that. Lebron was brought in to bring the cavs to the promised land, right now he does not have the game or team to do that. When I say he does not have the game, what I am really saying is he does not have the mentality to conquer or subdue, he is just efficient, he has to acquire what Carmelo has...killer instinct. If you are going to introduce his stats as the barometer by which to measure him, understand that game against sac was not the norm for him. Lebron is not a good shooter, in the sac game he was. His last two games have been awful. I won't bind him to his stats I will apply what I see in his game. He has great court awareness, but he has to learn to attack the basket in a half court set and he has to obtain a consistent jump shot, if he does not, the hype will die very fast. I honestly hope he does succeed.

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Sigh.............

First, Bron averages 15 shots a game, Carmelo averages 14.5. How you get that Melo is soooooo much more an aggressive scorer is puzzling. More of LB's scoring is in transition but he creates this by being aggressive on the boards and in the passing lanes. Who is Denver's offense built around? Nene? Miller? Hell naw, this team has no offensive standouts except Carmelo. LeBron is playing with at least two established scorers. To think that LeBron would come in and say to hell with my All-Star center(Illga), and my leading scorer(Davis) and completely take over the offense as a rookie outta' highschool is actually kinda' stupid. It boggles my mind that people are dense enough to expect LB to play at a T-Mack level in his first week in the NBA.

THE HYPE IS NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK LEBRON WILL DOMINATE RIGHT NOW. NO ONE SAID HE WOULD.


The hype is because of P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L...Damn. Some people just don't WANT to understand.

LeBron initiates the offense against much quicker guys and so far he's faced Bibby, Stoudemire, Miller and Marbury and given more than 2 TO's ONCE in that stretch (7 against Phoe). That shows me he's got enough speed and handles to take the average NBA defender off the dribble, IF THE CAVS WOULD ACTUALLY ISOLATE HIM! Hell, his first two games were against D. Christie(25pts) and The Matrix(21pts) so save the "Melo faced better D" story.


Also "killer instinct" is more than heaving up shot after shot. Doing whatever it takes to win is what matters. Melo has shown that he don't do d!ck if his shot aint fallin'. In his 1-13 game he also recorded 0 boards and 0 assists. In case you forgot assist = 2 points....If LeBron has a fault it's that he hasn't demanded the ball and the way these guys are playing, he might have to do that.

The vets on this team should be ashamed that a highschool kid has to take over your offense.




Note: A Trillionaire agreeing with you is usually not a good thing.

[HMcCoy]

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NovaStar said:
You are correct, in no way shape or form am I comparing Melo or Lebron to Jordan. What I am saying is that Lebron doesn't have the game he has been hyped to have. You say he was hyped as good around the basket and a distributor, I say he was hyped as the second coming. To that end his nba game is no where near being the best player in a couple of years. Is he a solid player?...yes. Melo is a scorer, the fans love a scorer. If you think that Nike and all the other endorsers that Lebron has acquired are going to be satisfied with him being a distributor and active around the basket you are sadly mistaken. The cav fans will tire of that. Lebron was brought in to bring the cavs to the promised land, right now he does not have the game or team to do that. When I say he does not have the game, what I am really saying is he does not have the mentality to conquer or subdue, he is just efficient, he has to acquire what Carmelo has...killer instinct. If you are going to introduce his stats as the barometer by which to measure him, understand that game against sac was not the norm for him. Lebron is not a good shooter, in the sac game he was. His last two games have been awful. I won't bind him to his stats I will apply what I see in his game. He has great court awareness, but he has to learn to attack the basket in a half court set and he has to obtain a consistent jump shot, if he does not, the hype will die very fast. I honestly hope he does succeed.

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Sigh.............

First, Bron averages 15 shots a game, Carmelo averages 14.5. How you get that Melo is soooooo much more an aggressive scorer is puzzling. More of LB's scoring is in transition but he creates this by being aggressive on the boards and in the passing lanes. Who is Denver's offense built around? Nene? Miller? Hell naw, this team has no offensive standouts except Carmelo. LeBron is playing with at least two established scorers. To think that LeBron would come in and say to hell with my All-Star center(Illga), and my leading scorer(Davis) and completely take over the offense as a rookie outta' highschool is actually kinda' stupid. It boggles my mind that people are dense enough to expect LB to play at a T-Mack level in his first week in the NBA.

THE HYPE IS NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK LEBRON WILL DOMINATE RIGHT NOW. NO ONE SAID HE WOULD.


The hype is because of P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L...Damn. Some people just don't WANT to understand.

LeBron initiates the offense against much quicker guys and so far he's faced Bibby, Stoudemire, Miller and Marbury and given more than 2 TO's ONCE in that stretch (7 against Phoe). That shows me he's got enough speed and handles to take the average NBA defender off the dribble, IF THE CAVS WOULD ACTUALLY ISOLATE HIM! Hell, his first two games were against D. Christie(25pts) and The Matrix(21pts) so save the "Melo faced better D" story.


Also "killer instinct" is more than heaving up shot after shot. Doing whatever it takes to win is what matters. Melo has shown that he don't do d!ck if his shot aint fallin'. In his 1-13 game he also recorded 0 boards and 0 assists. In case you forgot assist = 2 points....If LeBron has a fault it's that he hasn't demanded the ball and the way these guys are playing, he might have to do that.

The vets on this team should be ashamed that a highschool kid has to take over your offense.




Note: A Trillionaire agreeing with you is usually not a good thing.

[HMcCoy]

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NovaStar said:
You are correct, in no way shape or form am I comparing Melo or Lebron to Jordan. What I am saying is that Lebron doesn't have the game he has been hyped to have. You say he was hyped as good around the basket and a distributor, I say he was hyped as the second coming. To that end his nba game is no where near being the best player in a couple of years. Is he a solid player?...yes. Melo is a scorer, the fans love a scorer. If you think that Nike and all the other endorsers that Lebron has acquired are going to be satisfied with him being a distributor and active around the basket you are sadly mistaken. The cav fans will tire of that. Lebron was brought in to bring the cavs to the promised land, right now he does not have the game or team to do that. When I say he does not have the game, what I am really saying is he does not have the mentality to conquer or subdue, he is just efficient, he has to acquire what Carmelo has...killer instinct. If you are going to introduce his stats as the barometer by which to measure him, understand that game against sac was not the norm for him. Lebron is not a good shooter, in the sac game he was. His last two games have been awful. I won't bind him to his stats I will apply what I see in his game. He has great court awareness, but he has to learn to attack the basket in a half court set and he has to obtain a consistent jump shot, if he does not, the hype will die very fast. I honestly hope he does succeed.

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Sigh.............

First, Bron averages 15 shots a game, Carmelo averages 14.5. How you get that Melo is soooooo much more an aggressive scorer is puzzling. More of LB's scoring is in transition but he creates this by being aggressive on the boards and in the passing lanes. Who is Denver's offense built around? Nene? Miller? Hell naw, this team has no offensive standouts except Carmelo. LeBron is playing with at least two established scorers. To think that LeBron would come in and say to hell with my All-Star center(Illga), and my leading scorer(Davis) and completely take over the offense as a rookie outta' highschool is actually kinda' stupid. It boggles my mind that people are dense enough to expect LB to play at a T-Mack level in his first week in the NBA.

THE HYPE IS NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK LEBRON WILL DOMINATE RIGHT NOW. NO ONE SAID HE WOULD.


The hype is because of P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L...Damn. Some people just don't WANT to understand.

LeBron initiates the offense against much quicker guys and so far he's faced Bibby, Stoudemire, Miller and Marbury and given more than 2 TO's ONCE in that stretch (7 against Phoe). That shows me he's got enough speed and handles to take the average NBA defender off the dribble, IF THE CAVS WOULD ACTUALLY ISOLATE HIM! Hell, his first two games were against D. Christie(25pts) and The Matrix(21pts) so save the "Melo faced better D" story.


Also "killer instinct" is more than heaving up shot after shot. Doing whatever it takes to win is what matters. Melo has shown that he don't do d!ck if his shot aint fallin'. In his 1-13 game he also recorded 0 boards and 0 assists. In case you forgot assist = 2 points....If LeBron has a fault it's that he hasn't demanded the ball and the way these guys are playing, he might have to do that.

The vets on this team should be ashamed that a highschool kid has to take over your offense.




Note: A Trillionaire agreeing with you is usually not a good thing.

[WTF]

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Very good post HMcCoy, I agree completely. If people would stop looking at overall performance based on nothing but points, they would see Lebron is by FAR the better all around player. He CAN shoot, and he can shake anyone off the dribble, and until Silas structures everything around him, like Denver has done with Carmelo, you will see the same type of performance, and to the guy who said,

"If I'm not mistaken, Lebron was on the strong side", well, you are mistaken. Silas took Lebron out of the game, and to A Trillionaire, saying Lebron should have cut to the basket, if you are in teh opposite corner, your duty is mainly to stay spaced out from the guy who is in the strongside post. If you make a cut, you are overloading the strong side of the court, as well as bringing your defender with you, which would lead to a double team on your big man. And being that "Z" doesn't want to pass anyway, a double team on him would be a horrible option.

IF Silas would get his head out his butt, and put Lebron on the Strong wing, "Z" down low, and Davis on the strong corner, that would give so many more scoring options than what they are doing now. If you could get Ilgauskas to pass back out, with an inside outside game, the defense would have to play more honest, and would free up some 1 on 1 situations. When they are ready to play, the Cavs will be a good team, but to be that team, they need Lebron ball side, and making the entry pass.

[WTF]

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Very good post HMcCoy, I agree completely. If people would stop looking at overall performance based on nothing but points, they would see Lebron is by FAR the better all around player. He CAN shoot, and he can shake anyone off the dribble, and until Silas structures everything around him, like Denver has done with Carmelo, you will see the same type of performance, and to the guy who said,

"If I'm not mistaken, Lebron was on the strong side", well, you are mistaken. Silas took Lebron out of the game, and to A Trillionaire, saying Lebron should have cut to the basket, if you are in teh opposite corner, your duty is mainly to stay spaced out from the guy who is in the strongside post. If you make a cut, you are overloading the strong side of the court, as well as bringing your defender with you, which would lead to a double team on your big man. And being that "Z" doesn't want to pass anyway, a double team on him would be a horrible option.

IF Silas would get his head out his butt, and put Lebron on the Strong wing, "Z" down low, and Davis on the strong corner, that would give so many more scoring options than what they are doing now. If you could get Ilgauskas to pass back out, with an inside outside game, the defense would have to play more honest, and would free up some 1 on 1 situations. When they are ready to play, the Cavs will be a good team, but to be that team, they need Lebron ball side, and making the entry pass.

[WTF]

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Very good post HMcCoy, I agree completely. If people would stop looking at overall performance based on nothing but points, they would see Lebron is by FAR the better all around player. He CAN shoot, and he can shake anyone off the dribble, and until Silas structures everything around him, like Denver has done with Carmelo, you will see the same type of performance, and to the guy who said,

"If I'm not mistaken, Lebron was on the strong side", well, you are mistaken. Silas took Lebron out of the game, and to A Trillionaire, saying Lebron should have cut to the basket, if you are in teh opposite corner, your duty is mainly to stay spaced out from the guy who is in the strongside post. If you make a cut, you are overloading the strong side of the court, as well as bringing your defender with you, which would lead to a double team on your big man. And being that "Z" doesn't want to pass anyway, a double team on him would be a horrible option.

IF Silas would get his head out his butt, and put Lebron on the Strong wing, "Z" down low, and Davis on the strong corner, that would give so many more scoring options than what they are doing now. If you could get Ilgauskas to pass back out, with an inside outside game, the defense would have to play more honest, and would free up some 1 on 1 situations. When they are ready to play, the Cavs will be a good team, but to be that team, they need Lebron ball side, and making the entry pass.

[Lonestar210]

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The only thing I noticed watching the game was, Nikoloz Tskitishvili is a good looking guy.

[Lonestar210]

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The only thing I noticed watching the game was, Nikoloz Tskitishvili is a good looking guy.