Can Melo Get His Ring Next?

[ojandpizza]

Why are all the Melo fans here acting like he's never played on a good team? If you were a real Melo fan then you should know he's been on a pretty darn good team ever since he first came into the league. The fact that Melo isn't a playmaker and more of scorer ( there I said that without calling him selfish ) means he will not win a ring as the go to guy in New York. He's going to need to team up with a great point guard. Although he isn't by no means a good defensive player he doesn't necessarily have to become great at that to win a ring, he has more important things to fix first in my opinion.

And everyone keeps saying he's the best offensive player in the league..

How is LeBron not the best offensive player in the league? He's the one with 3 MVPs, he shoots a higher % over the past few years than Melo, Kobe, and Durant, he gets more assists, scores just as many points, and he is exactly what you want in a superstar because he makes his teammates better. You could argue that Melo is a better shooter, but not offensive player, or even scorer, how can you even argue that when those 3 or 4 guys all score about the same, but LeBron does it more efficiently without forcing or scoring to the detriment of his teammates.. Durant would be a close second, then Melo, then Kobe..

[ScoobySnax]

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I'm going to say no, because there's no one on the Knicks that's willing to sacrifice. Everyone still wants to be "the guy." They need a point in NY that's not afraid of getting on the "stars" and keep the ball moving, making sure everyone gets involved.

HINT: That point isn't Jeremy Lin either.

[mattsatx79]

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I think it will take Melo along time. When he gets ready to swallow his ego and share the ball, he may have a chance. He just shoots way to much. That is just my opinion.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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I think it will take Melo along time. When he gets ready to swallow his ego and share the ball, he may have a chance. He just shoots way to much. That is just my opinion.

This is why I feel he will get his ring. He doesnt live in a closet and hears this all the time. He will be a different player. I agree he must change, but he has all the tools to do it.

Lebron heard it also and listened and he recevied his ring. It was menteiond many times last year that Lebron must play more in the post. Well he worked on it in the off season, and learned how to play in the post. If Lebron didnt learn on how to play in the post. He would not have won the championship this year. Lebron listened, and so will Melo.

I bet many of you guys pick the Giants to win the superbowl last year too "Yea Right"

The majority was all Packers or Patriots, and what happened???? Things arent in stone people not like some of you make it out to be.

I can't wait

[ojandpizza]

lol I don't think LeBron won a ring because he learned to post up lol

[mrprice33]

lol I don't think LeBron won a ring because he learned to post up lol

Somebody didn't watch the finals...

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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lol I don't think LeBron won a ring because he learned to post up lol

Sorry man but if you did not realize the depth and impact his post game had on his game , and the success to win the championship. Then I dont know what to tell you.

The funny thing is that you put lol at the end of your quote as if you made a solid comment.

All I can do is SMH.

[wwharton]

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Sorry man but if you did not realize the depth and impact his post game had on his game , and the success to win the championship. Then I dont know what to tell you.

The funny thing is that you put lol at the end of your quote as if you made a solid comment.

All I can do is SMH.

His post game is not why they won a championship. He scored a ton more in the paint but not all that much from posting up, actually. And honestly, his confidence in the post along with the Thunder insisting to double team every time played a larger roll than any scoring he did from posting up.

Lebron moved much better without the ball, catching it many times in the paint for quick shots. He rarely settled for deep threes or resorted to the ISO like he's done too many times in the past. He also demanded the ball in all important situations rather than shy away from it.

And that doesn't even mention how much more confident Bosh was after the serious butterflies he had last year, or the deer in headlights look of the important players on the Thunder which also contributed. Lebron's actual post game was a very, very, very small factor in them winning a championship.

[BlastX21]

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His post game is not why they won a championship. He scored a ton more in the paint but not all that much from posting up, actually. And honestly, his confidence in the post along with the Thunder insisting to double team every time played a larger roll than any scoring he did from posting up.

Lebron moved much better without the ball, catching it many times in the paint for quick shots. He rarely settled for deep threes or resorted to the ISO like he's done too many times in the past. He also demanded the ball in all important situations rather than shy away from it.

And that doesn't even mention how much more confident Bosh was after the serious butterflies he had last year, or the deer in headlights look of the important players on the Thunder which also contributed. Lebron's actual post game was a very, very, very small factor in them winning a championship.

"very very small" is all it has to be to make the difference. Even if LeBron only got 2 extra buckets a game from posting up, thats the difference between losing in the second round and winning the Finals.

[wwharton]

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"very very small" is all it has to be to make the difference. Even if LeBron only got 2 extra buckets a game from posting up, thats the difference between losing in the second round and winning the Finals.

Stretching to defend laughing off someone who questioned the comment. Lebron did A LOT and actually using a new "post" game was a very small part of it. That's all there is to it. His game grew leaps and bounds based on his confidence, decision making and (most importantly, off ball movement) that it is pretty laughable to pin his contributions on the championship on his post game. These statements make it seem like he did nothing different between last year and this besides post up more in the finals. If that were true, they would've lost.

[BlastX21]

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Stretching to defend laughing off someone who questioned the comment. Lebron did A LOT and actually using a new "post" game was a very small part of it. That's all there is to it. His game grew leaps and bounds based on his confidence, decision making and (most importantly, off ball movement) that it is pretty laughable to pin his contributions on the championship on his post game. These statements make it seem like he did nothing different between last year and this besides post up more in the finals. If that were true, they would've lost.

Um, no, nobody ever said he did nothing different besides post up. We are saying that it contributed to winning the championship just as his decision making and off-ball movement did. Subtract any of those 3 attributes and its possible that they don't even make it past the Pacers.

[wwharton]

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Um, no, nobody ever said he did nothing different besides post up. We are saying that it contributed to winning the championship just as his decision making and off-ball movement did. Subtract any of those 3 attributes and its possible that they don't even make it past the Pacers.

Speak for yourself. My response was directed specifically at the highlighted parts of these posts:

This is why I feel he will get his ring. He doesnt live in a closet and hears this all the time. He will be a different player. I agree he must change, but he has all the tools to do it.

Lebron heard it also and listened and he recevied his ring. It was menteiond many times last year that Lebron must play more in the post. Well he worked on it in the off season, and learned how to play in the post. If Lebron didnt learn on how to play in the post. He would not have won the championship this year. Lebron listened, and so will Melo.

I bet many of you guys pick the Giants to win the superbowl last year too "Yea Right"

The majority was all Packers or Patriots, and what happened???? Things arent in stone people not like some of you make it out to be.

I can't wait

Sorry man but if you did not realize the depth and impact his post game had on his game , and the success to win the championship. Then I dont know what to tell you.

The funny thing is that you put lol at the end of your quote as if you made a solid comment.

All I can do is SMH.

Now I almost feel dirty being on the same side of an argument as that mchase guy but, these specifically point to the "impact his post game had on his game, and the success to win the championship" and though it can be easy to misunderstand what went down, this statement isn't really true.

In game 7 the Thunder doubled him every time he caught the ball in the post giving him open options to pass to for shots. This is effective use of a "post game" but nothing that required improving. That played right into his strengths actually. Dallas forced him to go one on one in the post... with the likes of an old Matrix, old Kidd and tiny Berrea none the less. James showed at times that his confidence trying to score from the post has improved since then, but personally, I would've forced him to continue to prove it if I were the Thunder. That's neither here nor there. The point is we didn't see the rebirth of Kevin McHale or even an imitation of Kobe when it came to James posting up. And the 2 shots he made from actually posting (not being literally, just throwing the random number you introduced earlier out there... probably was more than 2 for the series) played a VERY small role in his contributions.

It gets tricky bc people look at his points in the paint and the number of shots he got right at the rim while noticing he wasn't going iso as much. That doesn't mean he was posting up. He was moving to catch the ball and take a quick shot in the paint. In game 7 they stuck with him getting the ball in the post bc the Thunder wouldn't stop double teaming and all the "lesser" guys were nailing their shots. So even then he posted more, but didn't really show his post game... he didn't have to.

It sounds like "depth and impact of his post game" are strong words for YOUR opinion on this. If so then you're defending someone else's point you don't completely agree with. The whole point of Tyrant's post is that James realized he needed to change his game and he did so Melo will do the same. To only point out the post game in that statement makes it rather baseless, which is why I responded.

In your defense, Tyrant, you are correct in general. I just wouldn't point to his "post game" as a strong example.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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Stretching to defend laughing off someone who questioned the comment. Lebron did A LOT and actually using a new "post" game was a very small part of it. That's all there is to it. His game grew leaps and bounds based on his confidence, decision making and (most importantly, off ball movement) that it is pretty laughable to pin his contributions on the championship on his post game. These statements make it seem like he did nothing different between last year and this besides post up more in the finals. If that were true, they would've lost.

Um, no, nobody ever said he did nothing different besides post up. We are saying that it contributed to winning the championship just as his decision making and off-ball movement did. Subtract any of those 3 attributes and its possible that they don't even make it past the Pacers.

wwharton and just to piggy back off what BlastX21 is stating. The post was the difference from Lebron settling for jumpers and taking the pressure off the defense. To the defense never getting a break from Lebron.

In the past Lebron always played good defense, rebound, passed, and scored. It was in the final qtr when teams clamped down on him (Zone Defense) that he would settle for jumpers, and let the defense off the hook. Where this season he posted up and did not settle for jumpers, and that alone got him over the hump.

Lebron doesnt go to his post up game he doesnt win. I did not want Lebron to win at all, but I gain a ton of respect for the guy. He knew what he needed to improve on and did. He matured and did all the right things.

Lebron even knew he needed his post game , and is why whe worked out with Ahkeem Olajuwon.

Lebron always did the all around game, but this year instead of Jumpers he went to the post or drive. Instead of years past where it was drive or shoot a jumper.

The post game was the difference.

[wwharton]

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wwharton and just to piggy back off what BlastX21 is stating. The post was the difference from Lebron settling for jumpers and taking the pressure off the defense. To the defense never getting a break from Lebron.

In the past Lebron always played good defense, rebound, passed, and scored. It was in the final qtr when teams clamped down on him (Zone Defense) that he would settle for jumpers, and let the defense off the hook. Where this season he posted up and did not settle for jumpers, and that alone got him over the hump.

Lebron doesnt go to his post up game he doesnt win. I did not want Lebron to win at all, but I gain a ton of respect for the guy. He knew what he needed to improve on and did. He matured and did all the right things.

Lebron even knew he needed his post game , and is why whe worked out with Ahkeem Olajuwon.

Lebron always did the all around game, but this year instead of Jumpers he went to the post or drive. Instead of years past where it was drive or shoot a jumper.

The post game was the difference.

And that's EXACTLY what I disagree with... it just came on the heels of another snide/snippy post from that mchase guy.

Catching/scoring in the paint does not equal "post game". I agree with your general statement of the pressure he put on the Thunder but it wasn't bc he posted up. He did tons of movement without the ball to be able to catch it closer to the basket. That's not the same as posting up. His post game is still shaky... better than last year but still shaky. What he needed to do (and did) was get the ball closer to the basket to make a quick move/decision. That was infinitely more important than his post game.

The only time his posting had a game changingly significant impact was the last game, and that was bc the Thunder never adjusted and kept double teaming which plays to his strengths and hurt even more with the role players knocking everything down. If Dallas had double teamed continuously last year, James would've done the same thing.

[ojandpizza]

Actually I did watch the finals, and the rest of the playoffs, LeBron scored way more points by moving without the ball, and slipping off those half screens he was setting for Wade ad Chalmers, yes he scored most his points in the lane but not from posting up.. More so from cutting, and penetrating.. Besides one player learning a few post moves isn't the reason a whole team wins a championship, especially when half the time that player is the one bringing the ball up the court playing a PG.. The dude isn't a center, it's not like it was Dwight Howard out there expanding his post game..