92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

We can settle this in 2k13. Bring it on 23! I'll show you the imitation is better than the original!

If I can't punch an Angolan with Chuck its not realistic enough

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

what are you talking about? Me and 23 were having a discussion, he said he dropped some facts, I didn't see those, so I asked him what he was talking about.. I'm assuming you quoted the wrong post?

My side has been clear: as far as the threads question: I think the Dream Team would win.....no discussion I've had has contradicted that...

Man you been off lately, talk about arguing to be arguing lol

He said you were ignoring facts. I listed the fact that Magic went 19, 7, and 6 and led his team to the championship the year before the Olympics as proof.

Your side is that the Dream Team would win but you're arguing details of what? How much they'd win by? Who would/wouldn't dominate? You, 23 (and me) are on the same side of this topic so I'm confused WHY you all are having the discussion.

[KG]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

It's one thing to have the tools, but so say he's better than MJ now?

Plus, Lebron's in his prime now. I don't see him getting better. He's been in the league, what, 10 years? He's not gonna get better. And more team and individual success is not guaranteed for him.

But he improved a lot from yr 9 to 10. There's nothing to say he can't refine his post-game and improve his jumper. It's scary how good he is considering he still has some glaring holes.

If his prime lasts another 5 years at his current level he will have a lot of individual and team success.

[Subversion]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

USA 2012 barely beat some scrub teams this Olympics.

The 92' team would wipe the floor of the 2012 team. The basketball IQ of the 92' team equated to a million Einsteins combined. 2012 is just physically gifted athletes. Basketball is NOT and will never be a test in physicality.

Also, the way all these news articles that are comparing the two teams are date planting for 2K13's release, its making this out to be a marketing scheme, which is very infuriating.

[ojandpizza]

I don't post here anymore, but this was enough to bring me out of retirement.

Did you even watch the 1993-1994 NBA season? Pippen finished 3rd in the MVP voting and was actually robbed of the award in the eyes of many. If memory serves me correctly, the Bulls only lost either 2 or 3 more games that season without Jordan solely because of Pippen; the guy showed how good he really was.

And the part I put in bold...if that's the case, the same goes for Kobe Bryant. If the NBA did an updated list of the 50 greatest players, Kobe would surely make it...but Jordan made Bryant as well if you think about it. No he didn't play alongside him like Pippen, but look at Kobe's game: it's a combination of Michael Jordan, MJ, and His Airness. If it wasn't for Jordan, Pippen wouldn't have been that good; but if Jordan never played, Kobe wouldn't be the player he is today either. Jordan influenced a lot of people's games, so that's a moot point about Pippen.

Sorry for getting off topic but I had to respond to that (with all due respect to you Ojandpizza).

I just disagree, I'm sorry, to me he was just the same guy getting more looks, nothing was ever truly spectacular about his game to me other than his defense and ability to finish the break.. I just never saw how he was that great.. Some people label him a top 10 of all time, I just do not see it at all, I could probably name 5 SFs all time I would take over him

[ojandpizza]

Well that's just flat out wrong. It's about versatility. Like Prime Kobe defense vs. Prime LeBron defense. Jordan would take the other SG out of the game, Pippen could take 1s through 4s out.

And what do you mean by "I don't even think he was even as good as MJ in that regard"? I understand you're saying he's not as good as Jordan, but it sounds like you're also saying there are perimeter defenders significantly better than Jordan.

No I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying Pippen wasn't as good as a defender as Jordan in my book and he constantly gets credited the best perimeter defender ever..

I watched the bulls play so much back then, even went to probably 10-15 of their games personally and was a major majooor fan, but I never saw where Pippen was that great.. To me there was nothing that separated him from the all star level players to be in that perennial greatest of all time elite group.. Obviously some of you disagree, but talking about him being versatile defensively and being able to finish the break and at the rim is not near enough for me...

To say "Pippen was the best perimeter defender" to me doesn't mean all that much considering you could say "Alex English was the best perimeter scorer" or "Dennis Rodman was the best rebounder" many forget English led the entire 80s decade in scoring and nobody is jumping all over him... Not saying he is a good as Pip I'm just saying you can't just pick one thing he was amazing at and all of a sudden throw him up towards the all time list..

[Wildcats302]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Just read this whole thread due to inability to sleep/boredom/interest in anything Dream Team related. Couple of quick points.

1. Very interesting thread, no real debate for me. Dream Team by 15-20 over this year's Olympic team due to the ability to go to Ewing, Robinson, Barkley and Malone inside and foul out Chandler in literally 5 minutes probably, and K-Love would be awful against them as well. (Coach K would refuse to play AD as usual unless he was down to 4 players that had not fouled out so he is not a factor but if he was, too skinny to do anything at this stage of his career against those HOFers). Jordan, Pippen, Drexler could have got inside at will as well probably, and they would not settle for 3's like this year's team. (Those 3's would be contested against the 92 team, no open looks like in the games this year). The 92 D would be stifling and slow Kobe, Lebron and Durant down, as well as slow down Melo off the bench, but I'll give these guys props to say they can keep it to 10-20 point loss with 15-20 being the most likely range IMO. They are better than Croatia, who the US beat by what 32 in the Gold Medal Game in 92? But not nearly good enough.
2. Some people need to learn to not use LOL constantly in their arguments/debates. Using it over and over in a post makes you look like your confidence in your take/stance is shaky, showing a lack of self confidence in yourself so if you do not believe the stuff you are shoveling our way on this board, why should we? Just my opinion.
3. I'm happy the Dream Team is going to be on this year's game...hope I can take them into a season mode or association to wreck all the current teams...can you say 82-0? I'd say in real life if that team was a NBA team they might somehow lose a couple just out of boredom but I'm not sure about that. Bummer no Pippen but a starting 5 of say PG: Magic SG: Jordan SF: Bird PF: Barkley C: Ewing with a bench of PG: Stockton SG: Drexler SF: Mullin PF: Malone C: Robinson would be pretty sweet, 5 for 5 substitutions would be the norm to wear teams down. I'd NEVER play Laettner though, he does not belong on the team.

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

More interesting, how do you think 2012 would fare against this team

[DukeC]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

More interesting, how do you think 2012 would fare against this team

Who's number 9? I see Penny, Pippen, Stockton, Barkley, Robinson, Payton, Miller, Hakeem, Hill, Malone, and Shaq.

But...yeah. No one is stopping Shaq on the 2012 team. Shaq would score 60 by himself.

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

That's a prime Mitch Richmond.... DEADLY!

[stlpimpmonsta]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Why arent ppl talking 96 vs 92. Way more intriguing of an matchup.

[Kashanova]

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I say '96 vs '12 would be interesting but the combination of Prime Shaq, Hakeem and Drob. Would be way too much for Chandler/Love/Brow to handle

[ojandpizza]

Who's number 9? I see Penny, Pippen, Stockton, Barkley, Robinson, Payton, Miller, Hakeem, Hill, Malone, and Shaq.

But...yeah. No one is stopping Shaq on the 2012 team. Shaq would score 60 by himself.

60? Then why didn't he score 60 against the terrible foreigners?

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I say '96 vs '12 would be interesting but the combination of Prime Shaq, Hakeem and Drob. Would be way too much for Chandler/Love/Brow to handle

Freaking devestating, Kash

[Kashanova]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Freaking devestating, Kash

not to mention I totally forgot that Penny and Hill were completely healthy on the 96 team...