92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[DamnYanks2]

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You didn't answer my question. Where you around in the 80's and early 90's to watch the NBA every day?

Flopping btw, in it's current form has not always been around. Nor has some of the ridiculousness when it comes to begging for fouls.

Style of play is a nitpick? Not sure how.

I don't NEED to appreciate anything. There are plenty of other things out there vying for my entertainment dollars and time. A bad product is not something I really have a lot of time or patience for. While imo the game has indeed improved over the past few years, it's still a bad product.

Nope, I was born in 1990, so unfortunately I missed Magic, Kareem, Bird, and early Jordan, and alot of other great players. I like to watch youtube clips of those era's though, I understand the greatness associated with those players. Especially Jordan.

I see how the game has changed. It has, no doubt. But I still just don't see it being significantlly better.

[ehh]

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It's a give-and-take comparing now to the 80's and 90's. The NBA though has always been about a small group of legit contenders each year, that's never changed - always has and always will be a top heavy league.

I don't think expansion hurt the league THAT much, like it did with the NFL or MLB. I think the 2000-2007 was simply an awful stretch because of a low talent, it was a perfect storm.

The league now, outside of the officiating and style of play that's promoted, is amazing. The Heat, Lakers, Thunder, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, etc. That's as good of a top group of teams as the league has ever had. And I'm a huge 1990's homer. The talent level, outside of the death of dominant centers, is great.

The league is wildly entertaining even with some of the officiating nonsense we have to put up with. Do I wish it was still the physical basketbrawl style of the 90's with games rarely breaking 100 points in the playoffs? Yeah, it was a man's game then. Not an a doctored entertainment product. But still, it's not a shabby product we have on the court today.

[DamnYanks2]

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It's a give-and-take comparing now to the 80's and 90's. The NBA though has always been about a small group of legit contenders each year, that's never changed - always has and always will be a top heavy league.

I don't think expansion hurt the league THAT much, like it did with the NFL or MLB. I think the 2000-2007 was simply an awful stretch because of a low talent, it was a perfect storm.

The league now, outside of the officiating and style of play that's promoted, is amazing. The Heat, Lakers, Thunder, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, etc. That's as good of a top group of teams as the league has ever had. And I'm a huge 1990's homer. The talent level, outside of the death of dominant centers, is great.

The league is wildly entertaining even with some of the officiating nonsense we have to put up with. Do I wish it was still the physical basketbrawl style of the 90's with games rarely breaking 100 points in the playoffs? Yeah, it was a man's game then. Not an a doctored entertainment product. But still, it's not a shabby product we have on the court today.

This pretty much sums up everything I feel. I just really am enjoying the current crop of NBA players right now. I think the NBA is really at a high level right now. It's different. The Center is all but dead. But I love the current flow of point guards right now, and swingmen.

It most certainly isn't crap.

[DamnYanks2]

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As far as the actual discussion between the two teams goes.

The Dream Team wins, but I think the 2012 team takes a couple, it's not a sweep.

In the end there's just too much size in the post, and Jordan. but, man would it be something to watch.

I'm just not sure how The 2012 team could stop Barkley, Malone, Robinson, and Ewing in a 7 game series. They could steal a few, on some hot three point shooting and monster nights from Lebron. But, The 90's centers would eventually be too much to handle. I think it would also result in a lot of second chance opportunities for the Dream, with all that size and rebounding. Which would be the crucial blow.

[JODYE]

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Def not a shabby product today, but based on what we just saw for the better half of a decade, that's not hard to improve upon.

The fact that were listing that current Celtics team in the list of the top teams in the league, shows how weak the league still is.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy today's basketball for what it is. But the comparisons, just can't be made. Not logically anyway.

[bkrich83]

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Nope, I was born in 1990, so unfortunately I missed Magic, Kareem, Bird, and early Jordan, and alot of other great players. I like to watch youtube clips of those era's though, I understand the greatness associated with those players. Especially Jordan.

I see how the game has changed. It has, no doubt. But I still just don't see it being significantlly better.

Watching youtube clips just isn't the same. So you won't see it. You didn't live it.

[sportjames23]

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Lebron has the tools and makeup to become the best player the world has ever seen. I truly believe that.

But he has a long way to go before he's at Jordan's status.

It's one thing to have the tools, but so say he's better than MJ now?

Plus, Lebron's in his prime now. I don't see him getting better. He's been in the league, what, 10 years? He's not gonna get better. And more team and individual success is not guaranteed for him.

[BringTheHeat]

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It's one thing to have the tools, but so say he's better than MJ now?

Plus, Lebron's in his prime now. I don't see him getting better. He's been in the league, what, 10 years? He's not gonna get better. And more team and individual success is not guaranteed for him.

Either way, I think that in 20 years when people argue about the greatest, it'll be between LeBron and Jordan, not Kobe.

[Weeks]

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It's one thing to have the tools, but so say he's better than MJ now?

Plus, Lebron's in his prime now. I don't see him getting better. He's been in the league, what, 10 years? He's not gonna get better. And more team and individual success is not guaranteed for him.

It says in the in the post you quoted that he still has a long way to go before he's at Jordan status.
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As far as the discussion about 80s/90s v. 2000s. I don't think it's as clear as some are thinking. Many believe that 2010-2011 was the best season in NBA history, and this season wasn't far behind.

Nobody for sure knows who will be representing the west or even the east in the playoffs. You got the lakers, thunder, spurs, and clipper and then the Heat, celtics, and possibly Nets and the Bulls should be there next year after rose is back.

I'm not saying 2000's was better, but NBA definitely isn't a bad product

[sportjames23]

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It says in the in the post you quoted that he still has a long way to go before he's at Jordan status.

He's already been in the league 10 years. He doesn't have a long time left (as in catching MJ while he's in his prime).

[DamnYanks2]

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It's one thing to have the tools, but so say he's better than MJ now?

Plus, Lebron's in his prime now. I don't see him getting better. He's been in the league, what, 10 years? He's not gonna get better. And more team and individual success is not guaranteed for him.

No, he's not better then MJ, I said he has the tools to maybe reach that status, but he's got to have alot of more rings and monster seasons to be mentioned with that man.

He is in his prime, but he still has alot of room to grow with his jumpshot and post game. I feel like he has the tools and makeup to become the most complete basketball player ever. The scary thing is he's in his prime, and now he's really realizing his talents, and when to attack and take over. He could be at Jordan's level one day. But for now I'm just enjoying the show.

[BringTheHeat]

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He's already been in the league 10 years. He doesn't have a long time left (as in catching MJ while he's in his prime).

How in the world do people get this? Years in the league isn't what's important, his age is what's important.

Same age as Jordan was when he won his. Neither player had a major injury that nagged them for their career, so LeBron still has another 10 year the way I see it, maybe more.. (Age 40)

[DamnYanks2]

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Watching youtube clips just isn't the same. So you won't see it. You didn't live it.

I was old enough to remember Jordan and alot of the 90's from about 96 on. I missed the 80's though

But no I didn't live it the 80's or early 90's. So I didn't get the opportunity to watch Magic, Bird, and early Jordan dominate every day. But I still can appreciate their contributions to the game. I can still pull up full games and see how the game was played back then. I'm not taking anything away from those era's and I'm not at all saying that my era is better then that era, it's not.

But I just don't see a huge discrepancy between them. The game hasn't changed that much, and I enjoy it for what it is.

[sportjames23]

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How in the world do people get this? Years in the league isn't what's important, his age is what's important.

Same age as Jordan was when he won his. Neither player had a major injury that nagged them for their career, so LeBron still has another 10 year the way I see it, maybe more.. (Age 40)

His age is not important. It's the milage on his legs.

Kobe will be 34, but he looks horrible compared to MJ at the same age. And part of the reason is that Kobe had more milage than MJ at that age.

[DukeC]

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We can settle this in 2k13. Bring it on 23! I'll show you the imitation is better than the original!