92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[ojandpizza]

And Ewing had a great post game? Most Ewing fans argue he was better in college than he was in the NBA.. His legs/knees failed him, he was slow and turned into a fade-away shooting big man..DH doesn't need a post game to turn around and dunk all over you, did you not see how successful a young Shaq was back then??

[ojandpizza]

Did you really need multiple posts to reply to the same guy?

And, oh, you need to take it easy.

No I'm good actually, everytime I post in this thread he makes a smart remark and plainly tried to make me look/sound stupid.. He could just give an opinion and move on like everybody else.. It was his turn to get it from me..

[ojandpizza]

And it was only 3 posts replying to him.. Not 5 in a row

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

It doesn't matter. You can reply in one post.

And seriously, I'd suggest you heed these warnings dude.

[jrivera34]

23- you're talking the absolute best center in the entire world

Dwight is the best center in an era of horrible centers.

That being said, I am the biggest MJ fanboy and I agree this years team is not getting the respect it deserves. Is see MJ only marginally better then Kobe (yes, I think Kobe is that good), I see Lebron abusing Barkley, I see Durant and Bird shooting the lights out to a tie, but I think the 92 team has the advantage at PG and C. Magic would be too big for these smaller PG and Ewing would produce more the Chandler or Dwight if he was there.

I really would see this going 7 with MJ pulling out game 7 while Lebron chokes in the 7th and decisive game.

[ojandpizza]

Dwight is the best center in an era of horrible centers.

That being said, I am the biggest MJ fanboy and I agree this years team is not getting the respect it deserves. Is see MJ only marginally better then Kobe (yes, I think Kobe is that good), I see Lebron abusing Barkley, I see Durant and Bird shooting the lights out to a tie, but I think the 92 team has the advantage at PG and C. Magic would be too big for these smaller PG and Ewing would produce more the Chandler or Dwight if he was there.

I really would see this going 7 with MJ pulling out game 7 while Lebron chokes in the 7th and decisive game.

I understand the big men are weaker now across the board I completely agree.. But if you look back then the ball was forced into the paint more, teams ran their offense through big men.. Ewing was averaging around 25 per game and Howard around 20 BUT! Ewing was averaging at that point in his career 20-22 shots per game.. Howard averages 10-11 shots per game.. I see no reason to believe that if Howard was utilized the way big men were then he could be almost the equivalent of a young Shaq and outplayed Ewing.. He's already a better rebounder, shot blocker, runs the floor better, and doesn't get denied under the basket when he gets his position.. My point is, the 92 team would have to double DH or give up too many points to a 4th maybe even 5th option.. With Ewing being a fade away shooting big man, DH and Chandler could guard him 1 on 1.. That's a HUGE advantage for the 2012 team

However I disagree it would go 7 games.. I also dont think LeBron is gonna be a choker again after watching him this year.. If it did go 7 games NEVER I say NEVER bet against MJ

[ojandpizza]

It doesn't matter. You can reply in one post.

And seriously, I'd suggest you heed these warnings dude.

I don't understand what I did that was so wrong? He said I overrate everybody that isn't from the 90s and I said he was biased? Simple forum arguments going on is all it is.. Because my post was long I'm somehow offensive? Or what?

[redsrule]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I don't understand what I did that was so wrong? He said I overrate everybody that isn't from the 90s and I said he was biased? Simple forum arguments going on is all it is.. Because my post was long I'm somehow offensive? Or what?

No, you keep making multiple posts. You can just combine them all.

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[ojandpizza]

I apologize that I didn't have everything in one post... It's not that easy to go back and edit all my posts to combine them from my cell phone.. I won't do that next time.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I don't understand what I did that was so wrong? He said I overrate everybody that isn't from the 90s and I said he was biased? Simple forum arguments going on is all it is.. Because my post was long I'm somehow offensive? Or what?

A) You're making chain posts when you can use the multi-quote function to reply to everything in one post. This cuts down on board clutter and makes things easier to read for everyone. To use this function, click on the "quote +" button near the quick reply button on each post to select those posts you want to reply to. Then press quote when you're done and it'll take you to the advanced posting box to reply to all the quotes as you see fit.

B) You said "no I'm good actually" to a moderator's request for you to tone it down. Going after 23 in the hostile fashion you're going after him is a not a good idea. Then you replied to my posts requesting you tone it down in a dismissive manner. Operation Sports does not work like other message boards and as such, you need to present your opinions in a more mature fashion.

I suggest you clean it up from here on out.

[ojandpizza]

I've been posting here for like 2 years, I've saw far worse than anything I've said up there.. And like I just said I'm on my phone, not my computer.. Also I was not going after him in a "hostile" manner, I called him biased. I didn't know that was fighting words around here lol..

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I've been posting here for like 2 years, I've saw far worse than anything I've said up there.. And like I just said I'm on my phone, not my computer.. Also I was not going after him in a "hostile" manner, I called him biased. I didn't know that was fighting words around here lol..

First of all I did post and move on... Nobody is attempting to make you look stupid. I rebutted two of your posts I disagreed with and stated why. Its too bad if you can't take a difference of opinion

For example

Everyone keeps talking Jordan and rightfully so, but wasn't Barkley the MVP of this team? I think the 2012 team could damn sure slow his game.. I don't think Kobe would be able to stop Jordan, slow him yes..

I disagreed here and still do... you said Kobe could slow down a prime MJ... which is HIGHLY unlikely for many reasons including the fact that he's not slowing anyone down in a weaker era right now.

Secondly, you can still defend Dwight one on one...he doesn't demand double teams at all, so yeah another big man as agile and as strong as he is, he wouldnt be doing crap, especially if he can't figure out how to outsmart the guy because Ewing wasn't a slouch center like you'd try to make people believe

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Now you could make a simple post to answer instead of spamming up the forums like your posts matter more than anyone else's and truth be told, people skip over your stuff when you do things like that... being here 2 years, you should know that, and im sure you do.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

23- you're talking the absolute best center in the entire world against a top 4 or 5 center of the 90s? And when in the hell has Sheed physically dominated Howard? Sheed hasn't even been relevant in like 5 years?.. I think you also forget athletes have evolved 20 years now, unless they go to doubling DH the man is going to score.. Plain and simple

I don't know if you're severely overrating Dwight, or severely underrating Ewing, but you're way off in your assessment of both. Everything that needs to be have been said about Dwight has been said (no post game, no shooting touch, can't shoot free throws, does nothing but dunk), but you must not have seen too much of Patrick. He averaged 24, 11, and 3 blocks in '92 for a "jump shooting center" (which he was to a degree, but he could bang, something I don't think he gets enough credit for). He was not in the Bird-Magic state in '92 when he was a shell of himself. He was in his physical prime. And Dwight as the best center in that year wouldn't have been in the top 5 centers in the league in that time, as Ewing was light years ahead of him.

You're overrating Dwight's athleticism and I say that because, the '92 team had a Dwight. His name was David Robinson. He was every bit the athletic freak that Dwight is, and IMO (maybe not anyone else's), but I would say he's the 3rd most gifted basketball player physically outside of LeBron and young Shaq. This was a guy that jumped through the roof, and had more skills than Dwight did. So after Ewing abused Dwight (as he would have), Dwight would've basically had to defend a better version of himself in David Robinson. I don't see any way in which Dwight would make a difference in this game. Ewing may not have been a great man to man center (which is hard to judge given the disparity of the skill of the centers then versus the centers today) but neither is Dwight. The difference is Ewing was going up against Hakeem, David Robinson, soon Shaq, etc. whereas Dwight is going up against Kendrick Perkins, Tyson Chandler, etc.

[ojandpizza]

Hold on a second, I never said Howard was a better player than Ewing is. I think Ewing is actually a better center than Howard is.. But it's like this, who's a better PG John Stockton or Pistol Pete, I would say Stockton, but if they were matched up, in a game I would take Pete to outscore him 9 times out of 10 because I don't think Stockton would be that effective at guarding him.. I feel the same way about Ewing guarding Howard.

And Yankee fan- at that point in his career David Robinson wasn't a better version of Dwight Howard, maybe around 1997 or so but not that early in his career. He was far from playing at his prime level.

And yes Ewing played in a better big man era that's obvious, but he also wasn't paying against a Robinson or a Hakeem every single night. Not all 30 teams had a great big man lol.. Like I said earlier he was scoring about 5 more points than Dwight while taking twice the amount of shots.. I find no reason to believe that if Howard was placed in an era of basketball were the ball was throw into the paint and he could take 20 plus shots per game that he couldn't put up those numbers if not better numbers.. I mean if he scores 20 on 11 shots he could probably get close to 30 on 22 shots..

23- you always try to single out that post. Right after I said slow him I said "not enough yo matter" and said that individual defense wouldn't be a factor anyways since this game would revolve around a team defense. I've had probably 5 posts since then stating the same thing and also stating that it wouldn't or shouldn't ever be a Jordan on Kobe one on one. And I never said Jordan couldn't take over this game, but I stated that he wouldn't be put into a position to go out and take that many shots playing on a team that is that good. I don't know why you keep singling out that one tiny part of that one post when I've said much more about the situation.

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

And yes Ewing played in a better big man era that's obvious, but he also wasn't paying against a Robinson or a Hakeem every single night. Not all 30 teams had a great big man lol.. Like I said earlier he was scoring about 5 more points than Dwight while taking twice the amount of shots.. I find no reason to believe that if Howard was placed in an era of basketball were the ball was throw into the paint and he could take 20 plus shots per game that he couldn't put up those numbers if not better numbers.. I mean if he scores 20 on 11 shots he could probably get close to 30 on 22 shots..

Im glad you agree... both Ewing and DR would handle Dwight or Chandler

23- you always try to single out that post. Right after I said slow him I said "not enough yo matter" and said that individual defense wouldn't be a factor anyways since this game would revolve around a team defense. I've had probably 5 posts since then stating the same thing and also stating that it wouldn't or shouldn't ever be a Jordan on Kobe one on one. And I never said Jordan couldn't take over this game, but I stated that he wouldn't be put into a position to go out and take that many shots playing on a team that is that good. I don't know why you keep singling out that one tiny part of that one post when I've said much more about the situation.

Don't post something and regret it later... I didn't say it, you did, I just responded.

You're tap dancing around that point so hard Gregory Hines would be proud.