92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[airjoca]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I think you should have to be a certain age to reply in these sort of topics.

[jd@os]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Dude I don't even know what you're talking about.. I never said any player had evolved to be better. I said the game has evolved in that big men don't shoot 20 shots per game like they did in the 90s. And I made a hypothetical evolving statement about players 40 year from now just to make a point about him being biased..? Nobody ever tried to say Chandler Kobe or CP were better than Ewing Jordan or Magic..? But honestly Magic couldn't guard any of the 2012s PG anyways and as far as "evolving" goes LeBron is the size of Malone, passes like Magic, and scores on the drive like Jordan.. Maybe you don't like LeBron and that's fine, but at this point in Magic and Birds careers he's easily the best player on the court not named Michael Jordan..

And maybe none of you ever took the time to read the 20+ times I've said the 92 team would win the game! Sheeesh!

First off, how could you not know what I'm talking about? The post is plain as day--read it again.

Second, I wasn't even responding to you, so I NEVER said YOU said "any player had evolved to be better". I don't know where you got that from. If I was talking to you, two things would have happened: for one, I would have quoted you because after all, that's what the quote button is for. And two, I would not have said PEOPLE because you are not people--you are PERSON. I was referring to PEOPLE who have said this; not one PERSON such as yourself.

Finally, you say, "And maybe none of you ever took the time to read the 20+ times I've said the 92 team would win the game! Sheeesh!" To that, I say maybe you overreacted and never took the time to read and understand what I typed. Sheeesh yourself.

[ojandpizza]

I think you should have to be a certain age to reply in these sort of topics.

Idk if you're referring to me but I grew up watching the 80s &90s?? Just because I'm not ignorant to the fact that players now can actually play too doesn't mean I didn't watch players then.. Most of the people replying here sound as if they either didn't watch basketball at all then or don't watch it at all now. Watching them actually play isn't the same as seeing the espn highlights and looking at a stat sheet. I'm not implying that this is everybody, some people I actually believe do watch and know lots about the game, we just disagreed on the matter. Example, me and wwharton disagreed to almost a polar opposite but I feel as if he is very knowledgable on the subject and knows what he's talking about, I won't say any names of anybody else.

When people are here saying, man Ewing and Robinson would dominate them down low, or Jordan score at will, or magic could score everytime on the 2012 smaller PGs or that nobody from the 2012 team could guard so and so..they obviously just can't understand the fact that this would be a complete team effort coming from both sides but even more so from the 92' team. That team meshed together perfectly, nobody dominate, nobody scored 30ppg, nobody went out filled up the stat sheets, the TEAM dominated. Magic wasn't out there dropping tons of points on little PGs, Jordan wasn't going off for 30 taking over every game, Ewing and Robinson werent dominating every foreign big man they played inside. My point is and always have been if that didn't happen then, why would it magically happen this time around.. ?

If you wanna argue about people being old enough to post just because they're opinion is different than yours maybe you should be the one not to post or make a better argument saying that people who obviously didn't watch the 92' team play shouldn't post.

[daflyboys]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Lenny Wilkins ('92 asst. coach) was on WIP yesterday and was asked about this match-up. You could hear him fighting back laughing out loud. He's a real polite guy.

[airjoca]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Idk if you're referring to me

Not at all, I was speaking in general terms.

A lot of people reply on these sort of threads and never saw the '92 players playing live, only on youtube highlights. There's no way to truly judge those players without watching a **** load of games, and knowing about the little things that made them great, not just the highlights.

[rockchisler]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

7 game series I'd say 4 games to 2..2012 could beat them at least 1 game but the thing is let 2012 win gold then have the convo..Shoot 2008 team is better then 2012.........

[ojandpizza]

7 game series I'd say 4 games to 2..2012 could beat them at least 1 game but the thing is let 2012 win gold then have the convo..Shoot 2008 team is better then 2012.........

Yeah that's true, injuries have hurt this team.. The one thing they do have going for them over the 2008 is how LeBron and KD have improved, but also Kobe has slowed quite a bit since then which could be a good or bad thing for them. Bad that he isn't quite the player he was then but good in a sense that he won't be trying to do too much, everybody knows he's always had that issue, same with D Wade though it hurts he's gone and Harden is the reserve, but also he isn't there forcing unnecessary plays either.. Either way I agree with you, I'd see the series going 4-1 or 4-2.

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I guess we just completely disagree then. I have watched him play, I can't stand him, I've never liked him as a player or person off the court either. But I don't think he's being given his due. I don't think it's just the fact that he can't shoot or has a lack of go to post moves. I think it's just how the game has changed. You mentioned that Bynum shoots around the same number of shots as Howard, and I said 11 shot because I was going off his career averages not just last season alone.. Maybe Bynum doesn't only take 13 shots because Kobe but maybe it's because NBA teams don't utilize the center position as they did in the 80s-90s.. I still believe Howard would be a better player then than he is now.

But I never meant to get off on his season or career numbers anyways, everybody's else's posts just lead to this because they wanted to talk about the other big mens careers..I just said if team USA would have had DH it would have made the game closer because he would have been hard for Ewing to guard 1 on 1...And everybody jumped all over it saying how Ewing and Robinson would just dominate him when they didn't even dominate against the teams they played in 92' - doesn't make any sense at all. Like I've said numerous times here no 1 player would even be taking enough shots or having the ball enough to dominate a game like this

Now that I think though if I was the 2012 team I would play Chandler when Ewing was in and Howard when Robinson was in. Chandler does better defensively against guys who aren't more athletic than him or quicker than him.. To me Robinson would kill Chandler. But I also think Robinson was a great shot blocker but not a great defender, that's why I would use Howard when he was in.. Just how I would coach anyways

The part in bold is why people are jumping on you. What does what any of them did offensively have to do with guarding Howard? There are plenty of reasons why they didn't dominate (starting with the average margin of victory being 50 points... Jordan didn't dominate either, nobody needed to) but that shouldn't even be part of the discussion. If someone even used the word dominate (which I don't think happened) they were talking about defensively against Howard. And the reason that would've been said is A) Ewing and Robinson are two of the best defensive centers ever, and FAR better than anyone Howard has ever faced his entire career and B) Howard's offense is so limited against guys his height/size it would've made it even easier.

His presence would've certainly made a difference on the defensive end and on the boards, but you've been defending him offensively, and that's where everyone has disagreed.

On another note, it's a discussion. Not every comment is directed at you and nobody is personally attacking you. I may write my replies in a nicer way (sometimes, lol) than someone else but you seem to be taking some of these responses too personally.

[Nathan_OS]

I think you should have to be a certain age to reply in these sort of topics.

Makes no sense.

[ojandpizza]

The part in bold is why people are jumping on you. What does what any of them did offensively have to do with guarding Howard? There are plenty of reasons why they didn't dominate (starting with the average margin of victory being 50 points... Jordan didn't dominate either, nobody needed to) but that shouldn't even be part of the discussion. If someone even used the word dominate (which I don't think happened) they were talking about defensively against Howard. And the reason that would've been said is A) Ewing and Robinson are two of the best defensive centers ever, and FAR better than anyone Howard has ever faced his entire career and B) Howard's offense is so limited against guys his height/size it would've made it even easier.

His presence would've certainly made a difference on the defensive end and on the boards, but you've been defending him offensively, and that's where everyone has disagreed.

On another note, it's a discussion. Not every comment is directed at you and nobody is personally attacking you. I may write my replies in a nicer way (sometimes, lol) than someone else but you seem to be taking some of these responses too personally.

I wasn't the one who started the conversation about their offensive abilities. Others were. They wanted to keep saying how much better so in so played and in what era and everything which didn't have much if anything to do with one game between two Olympic squads.. And originally I wasn't trying to defend his offensive abilities, I simply said he wouldn't be easy for Ewing to guard, which he wouldn't be. Nobody on this stage is a push over and he's much better than Chandler is.. The only reason I started defending him was when people were acting like I was saying Jahadi White was going to dominate Wilt Chamberlain or something lol as I said above, I don't even like Dwight Howard.

[DieHardYankee26]

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And outside of those 3-4 guys the rest of the NBA was just as low on big men talent as it is now. I don't know how you don't think that if DH played then and doubled his amount of shots taken (to match those guys) he wouldn't be a statistical monster.. His game mimics a young Shaq, I guess nobody remember the success Shaq had individually his first couple years in the league playing against those guys..

I stil don't see the 92' not doubling DH, i mean they wpuldnt want to give the 5th scoring option on the 2012 lineup a chance to get decent looks under the rim, especially with Rpbinson in.. I guess nobody remembers him getting WORKED by Sabonis.. Ewing and Robinson only averaged 9-10 points against the horrible overseas players of 92' I guess they're supposed to just come in and Dominate the huge athletic guys who are actually good defensively like Howard and Chandler when they didn't even do the same against foreign competition???

It's things like the bold that made people freak out. Dwight, right now, in his prime, is NO WHERE NEAR the player that young Shaq was and there's no other way to put it. I mean come on. And then you say Dwight in the 90's would've dominated and outplayed Ewing. And you use one of the international players of all time, Sabonis, to justify how Dwight could abuse David Robinson? Ridiculous.

Bottom line: The '92 centers would have a significant advantage over the 2012 centers, Dwight or not. I don't know any other way to say it. And to have a significant advantage over doesn't mean they would drop 40+ points. It means they would outplay Dwight.

[ojandpizza]

It's things like the bold that made people freak out. Dwight, right now, in his prime, is NO WHERE NEAR the player that young Shaq was and there's no other way to put it. I mean come on. And then you say Dwight in the 90's would've dominated and outplayed Ewing. And you use one of the international players of all time, Sabonis, to justify how Dwight could abuse David Robinson? Ridiculous.

Bottom line: The '92 centers would have a significant advantage over the 2012 centers, Dwight or not. I don't know any other way to say it.

I didn't use Sabonis to justify that Robinson couldn't guard Howard, I was just saying he was still young, inexperienced and not at the level of career yet as what other people were trying yo say he was at. I never thought he was a great 1 on 1 defender anyways, just a superb shot blocker. Everybody remembers Hakeem making him look like a toddler searching for his lollipop lol.. (not comparing Hakeem to Dwight either)

And I never said Dwight was the player Shaq was or that he was as good as Shaq, I said his game (maybe I shoulda said play style) mimicked a young Shaq. Shaq never had Hakeem post moves in college as somebody said earlier, he was a drop step turn dunk player in his Orlando days just as Dwight is, Shaq was just better at it. I also never said Dwight would dominate Ewing, I said if he was taking that amount of shots playing in that era of basketball he would post better numbers.. I still think that now, and I still think he's a difficult guard for Ewing, you obviously disagree, that's fine, people can do that lol but to act like Dwight is as bad as you guys are making him just isn't fair..

And obviously Ewing&Rob is better than Dwight/Tyson but the way some people were making comments about made it sound as if Ewing and Robinson would go for 50 and Tyson&DH were gonna drop about 10.. I still believe Howard has a double/double matched up against the 92 team, which would be just as good as Ewing and Robinson did against the teams they played in 92, and wouldn't be an easy matchup for Ewing.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Look who agrees with Mr. Bryant

The MVP sounds off:

"As a competitor you never want to say that you will lose, no matter who you are going against," James told ABC News "Nightline" anchor Cynthia McFadden.

James did express his respect to the iconic 1992 team, which was led by Michael Jordan and included 11 future Hall of Famers. That team won its six Olympic games by an average of more than 43 points en route to capturing the gold medal in Barcelona.

"The '92 Dream Team paved the way for all of us ... We understand what they did for our game, but we also are big-time competitors as well, so if we got the opportunity to play them in a game we feel like we would win, too," James said.

[kdurant35rules]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

This es (is) no contest. 92 team by at least 15 pts.

Now ifffff they had wade howard and bosh maybe less than that but you cant match 92's size

Tyson
VS
Ewing
Robinson
Malone

That's a no-no.

[slimm44]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Why are y'all arguing about D12 when he's not even on the team? It's going on 50 posts about a guy that's not on the roster. Nothing like taking a hypothetical conversation to the next level.