92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Well if you want to continue to play the "no one said that exact thing" game....no one said this either, lol

I voted for the '92 Dream Team but I agree Lebron would have been the most dominant.

Even though '92 Jordan was young, Kobe may have been able to check him (at least slow him down) being that their games are almost identical and Kobe has that vet experience over him at that point.

Nobody on the Dream Team would have checked Lebron -- I'm almost daring someone to come out of their neck to say Larry Bird, lol. This is OS, I know his name will be dropped.

You and your boy picked what parts to attack in my comment, huh? You left out the 'their games are almost identical' so vet Kobe may have been able to slow him down. Just like I think a vet Jordan would slow down a 'in his prime' Kobe. And if Kobe couldn't do it, I'm sure Mr. James could slow him down.

And Lebron has just entered his prime -- this season -- like Jordan's and other's early years, he was just playing off pure athleticism -- I think he has finally learned how to play basketball. You mention his previous trips to international ball -- the '04 team (one of the worst assembled) and the '08 team, which I don't remember him being dominant but I remember him being one of the reasons we regained the gold medal. Not sure why you brought them up?

Edit: Reading your last paragraph, it seems to me you've forgotten the basketball mind Lebron/Kobe possess. Name someone on the '92 team that would check Lebron.

At this point, the only can really be argued(which it has been, to be fair)is how many points this team would lose or the SF matchup which this team MIGHT have over the '92 team.

[The 24th Letter]

Yeah so like I said, that's the problem with playing the "no one said that exact thing" game. He said "may have" and added context there. So while no one said exactly what I stated, how effective Magic or Bird (by at least Whart off the top) would be has been debated..

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Why even make a statement like that though when the guy isnt even stopping anyone now?

Again, its fruitless to post stuff like that just to post it

May have when all evidence points to it NOT happening at all. He has practically no facts to even come to the conclusion

i wont even get into the fantasy world part at the end...talking about vet experience, when his game couldnt be what he refers to as identical if Mjs game and experience wasnt created yet to copy mimmick or immitate

[The 24th Letter]

While I disagree w/ Jersey, It's all speculation. It's a matchup well never see. There are no "facts" that can really be given on a fantasy matchup. Just like you think Magic would have been way more effective then I do, that's cool...it's all opinion in the end.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Yeah so like I said, that's the problem with playing the "no one said that exact thing" game. He said "may have" and added context there. So while no one said exactly what I stated, how effective Magic or Bird (by at least Whart off the top) would be has been debated..

I acknowledged that back on the last page. The only thing I took issue with is you bringing up '85 Magic and Bird and saying people were acting like those were the players that were on the 92 team.

I've read this thread and I've not seen one post insinuating anything close to this unless you were just overexaggerating to prove your point and if that's the case, then my bad for not realizing that earlier.

Either way, my overall point still stands in that I(and most people in this thread)don't need nostalgia to tell us that this team would not beat the '92 team just like I don't need nostalgia to tell me that this team would not beat the '08 team.

[23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

While I disagree w/ Jersey, It's all speculation. It's a matchup well never see. There are no "facts" that can really be given on a fantasy matchup. Just like you think Magic would have been way more effective then I do, that's cool...it's all opinion in the end.

There are most certainly facts and I just gave you a couple of short ones

If you can't stop inferior competition how is it all of a sudden you're going to slow down the greatest ever in his prime?

If Jeremy Lin can go on a tear in the NBA doing basic fundamental things, I have no issue saying Magic would've been effective on a team full of Hall of Famers liker David Robinson, Barkley and Michael Jordan

Call it opinion if you'd please but at least I can point things out to back up what im saying... that post of his was pure supposition without the slightest detail to help support his case

There is a huge difference between the two, and again, if a 40 year old Jordan with bad knees can average 20 ppg in the 2000s after a layoff.. I have no reason to think he couldn't wear down his opponents like we saw him do in his younger years

[The 24th Letter]

I missed those facts if you gave them....you mean what you said about Jeremy Lin or Juan Carlos?

[wwharton]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

You sound upset.

For future reference, use the multi quote feature next time please.

I missed those facts if you gave them....you mean what you said about Jeremy Lin or Juan Carlos?

You're just reaching left and right and I don't know why? In short, what is your position in this debate. What are you arguing for/against? It just seems like you're arguing to argue.

My issue with all the talk about Bird, specifically is the defense goes something like "Bird was a shell of himself so the Dream Team isn't what people think." Well, Jordan, Drexler, Barkley, Ewing, Robinson, Malone, Pippen, etc, etc. were all just fine.

And you ask about facts but say "agree to disagree about Magic" when it was posted that he was 19, 7 and 6 leading his team to the championship that year. He simply was not in the Bird-like decline some of you are painting him out to be.

[ojandpizza]

MJ also used to say he wasn't the greatest player of all time. It's called tact. Learn it.

I've got games on tape, too, bruh. MJ used to light up Dumars. Agreed, the Pistons as a team slowed him down some, but not enough to come close to stopping him. Matter of fact, once they set up the Jordan Rules and until the Bulls overcame that, the Pistons used to dare MJ's teammates to beat them. And until 1991, his teammates let him down.

lol how old are you?

[ojandpizza]

Pippen overrated? OK...

You probably didn't and don't pay attention to the little things on the court.

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Yes I believe Pippen is overrated, sorry, he was great no doubt, but without Jordan I don't see him even making the NBAs 50 greatest players list, Jordan made him, that's just my opinion of course but I've always felt that way..

And pay attention to the little things? If you're supposed to be as great as people want to say Pippen is you shouldn't have to look as deep into the "little things" it should just be obvious, and in his case it never was, to me anyways..

I've always laughed at the "Jordan had Pippen" arguments people make simply because I never saw where Pippen was that great, sure he played good defense but he wasn't the best perimeter defender like everybody wants to say, I don't think he was even as good as MJ in that regard.

[sportjames23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

lol how old are you?

Probably older than you, dude.

I'm 39, btw.

[sportjames23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

For future reference, use the multi quote feature next time please.

My bad, chief.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I've always laughed at the "Jordan had Pippen" arguments people make simply because I never saw where Pippen was that great, sure he played good defense but he wasn't the best perimeter defender like everybody wants to say, I don't think he was even as good as MJ in that regard.

Well that's just flat out wrong. It's about versatility. Like Prime Kobe defense vs. Prime LeBron defense. Jordan would take the other SG out of the game, Pippen could take 1s through 4s out.

And what do you mean by "I don't even think he was even as good as MJ in that regard"? I understand you're saying he's not as good as Jordan, but it sounds like you're also saying there are perimeter defenders significantly better than Jordan.

[The 24th Letter]

You're just reaching left and right and I don't know why? In short, what is your position in this debate. What are you arguing for/against? It just seems like you're arguing to argue.

My issue with all the talk about Bird, specifically is the defense goes something like "Bird was a shell of himself so the Dream Team isn't what people think." Well, Jordan, Drexler, Barkley, Ewing, Robinson, Malone, Pippen, etc, etc. were all just fine.

And you ask about facts but say "agree to disagree about Magic" when it was posted that he was 19, 7 and 6 leading his team to the championship that year. He simply was not in the Bird-like decline some of you are painting him out to be.

what are you talking about? Me and 23 were having a discussion, he said he dropped some facts, I didn't see those, so I asked him what he was talking about.. I'm assuming you quoted the wrong post?

My side has been clear: as far as the threads question: I think the Dream Team would win.....no discussion I've had has contradicted that...

Man you been off lately, talk about arguing to be arguing lol

[Kashanova]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Now the most ridiculous thing said in here was that this Kobe would slow down '92 MJ.

what in the world?!?!?! Seriously??!

I mean how outrageous is that. Kobe wasn't slowing internationals now, who would expect him to slow down Jordan. SMH