Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

[AllStarDaDon]

Me and my boy was having a great debate last night. Is Dwyane Wade better then Reggie Miller?

EDIT: Also is Dwyane Wade HOF bound thus far?

[C the Lyte]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

This shouldn't even be close. It's Miller Time.

[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Yea, he's a lock in my opinion. And when we are just talking about basketball alone. Wade brings way more to the floor than Reggie Miller did. I'm not even going to get into how many rings, wins, and awards. I don't think it's close.

And my post is not a knock on Reggie Miller. I think he is the second best shooter of all time (Ray Allen). I just never thought of him as an MVP type player.

[BringTheHeat]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Yes. Wade by a mile.

Wade is a top 5 SG to me. (Biased answer incoming)

Pros
One of the best attackers the game has seen
Incredibly strong body won't allow him to be pushed around
Lightning quick, "Flash"
One of the best finishers
Clutch
Doesn't crack under pressure/strong leader
Top level defender
Either the number 1 or 2 best shot blocking guard ever
Has the moves; Eurostep, floater, crossover, that half spin fadeaway, the bank shot
The best at splitting double teams

Cons
Could be a better shooter; mainly from long range, because..

His body hasn't held up well, he's been injury prone throughout his career, mainly due to his wreckless playstyle

Here in these later years, 09-present, he tries to get the foul call too much, watching Wade in college and through 08 was a beauty, now every time he drives hes gonna end up on the floor.

No forget that, every time he misses it now he tries to get a foul call.

Has lost some of his quickness due to the injuries, can't blow by bigger defenders like Paul George or Thabo Sefolosha; hopefully the surgery fixes this but until then it's a con.


I've made my case for D Wade. And yes he's HOF bound as of a few years ago.

[ojandpizza]

Wade easily.. I don't know what peoples fascination is with Reggie Miller honestly..

He really wasn't that great of a player. He had his clutch moments, fun to watch, and the leader of his team.. But other than that?

He definitely wasn't an MVP level player and never had dominating or "team carrying" ability a or even big time stats..

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

This honestly never should have been a discussion. It's Wade by a very wide margin.

[st0rmb11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

This isn't close. Without injuries, and had LeBron not joined the Heat, Wade was well on his way to becoming the 3rd greatest SG ever. Even still, he's top 5.

People seem to forget because it was only for a couple of seasons, and injuries played a huge role in his career, but in his prime, Dwyane Wade was the closest thing we had seen to Michael Jordan at the shooting guard; yes, even closer than Kobe.

He was a 6'4" Jordan. Great attacker, solid enough face up shooter, solid post game, very good passer, very good facilitator, and unlike Kobe, he was/is actually a great defensive player. He is a great on ball and off ball defender.

I'm not going to jump into my thoughts on Reggie Miller and his inclusion in the Hall of Fame, but..nope..not getting into it.

The answer is Wade, and anyone who says Reggie Miller is just someone who 1) hates the Miami Heat with a passion, 2) lives in Indiana and bought into Reggie's overratedness, or 3) knows nothing

[Weeks]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

D-Wade by a good amount

[24]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

, Dwyane Wade was the closest thing we had seen to Michael Jordan at the shooting guard; yes, even closer than Kobe.

Not to side track this thread but this statement is flat out wrong. No disrespect or anything but Jordan and Kobes Offensive games are nearly identical. Hell their career progression is exactly the same both went from ridiculous high fliers to dominating the post as they got older.

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You want more video evidence their is hours upon hours of other footage showing how similar Kobe and Jordan's offensive game is. And If Dwyane's defense is so much better than Kobe's then how do you explain the fact that Kobe's defensive rating is higher than wades?

EDIT

To Answer the original question D-wade over Reggie

[ojandpizza]

Not to side track this thread but this statement is flat out wrong. No disrespect or anything but Jordan and Kobes Offensive games are nearly identical. Hell their career progression is exactly the same both went from ridiculous high fliers to dominating the post as they got older.

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You want more video evidence their is hours upon hours of other footage showing how similar Kobe and Jordan's offensive game is. And If Dwyane's defense is so much better than Kobe's then how do you explain the fact that Kobe's defensive rating is higher than wades?

Defensive rating?? This isn't a video game dude lol..

Kobe over the years has been a better on ball defender, and Wade a better off ball defender.. That's how I see it anyways.. But as of RIGHT NOW, Kobe couldn't guard a parked car lol.. Maybe you didn't watch the Olympics?

Jordan was better than either of them at both though, just throwing that out there.

[ojandpizza]

Also, I'll throw in, I don't think Kobe or Wade's game resembles Jordan's much at all.. Just because Kobe developed a turn around doesn't mean his play is identical to Jordan's.. I'm guessing you arent old enough or just didn't watch much of the 80s/90s

[BringTheHeat]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Also, I'll throw in, I don't think Kobe or Wade's game resembles Jordan's much at all.. Just because Kobe developed a turn around doesn't mean his play is identical to Jordan's.. I'm guessing you arent old enough or just didn't watch much of the 80s/90s

Wade heavily resembles Jordan. More so than Kobe.

[st0rmb11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Not to side track this thread but this statement is flat out wrong. No disrespect or anything but Jordan and Kobes Offensive games are nearly identical. Hell their career progression is exactly the same both went from ridiculous high fliers to dominating the post as they got older.

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/v27Hk5OIe-k" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

You want more video evidence their is hours upon hours of other footage showing how similar Kobe and Jordan's offensive game is. And If Dwyane's defense is so much better than Kobe's then how do you explain the fact that Kobe's defensive rating is higher than wades?

EDIT

To Answer the original question D-wade over Reggie

Dwyane Wade is a better defensive player than Kobe Bryant, and has been throughout his career. I'm not even going into that. Wade is one of only 2 guards to record 100+ steals and 100+ blocks in a season...the other? Michael Jordan. And don't use Kobe's All-Defensive Team selections to argue for his defense...those are a joke, these days. They give those out on reputation alone. I look at his All-Defensive honors the same way I look at Derek Jeter's Gold Gloves...

I never said Dwyane Wade imitated Jordan better than Kobe. Hell, Kobe Bryant hasn't even had his own career because he has never done anything original..everything he does is trying to be like Michael Jordan.

But, statistically, Dwyane Wade is the closest shooting guard we've seen to Jordan.

Also, Wade throughout his career has been better at finishing inside than Kobe.

If you watch certain aspects of his game, yes, Kobe goes out of his way to imitate Jordan better than Wade. But, to me, Wade is the closest thing we've seen to the all around package that was Michael Jordan.

[ojandpizza]

Wade heavily resembles Jordan. More so than Kobe.

If Wade could learn WAY better shot selection, a more consistent jumper, better finisher around the rim (not just putting your head down and then flopping) and becoming a MUCH better defender, making smarter passes, stop holding the ball too long, then I would say he could resemble Jordan..his finals MVP year somewhat resembled a younger Jordan, but other than that I don't see it man..

- I'm not trying to hate on Wade, I'm a heat fan actually

[st0rmb11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Wade heavily resembles Jordan. More so than Kobe.

This.

The way Wade attacks the basket and finishes through and around contact is very Jordan-esque. Kobe mastered the turn around, but their offensive similarities end there. Kobe goes out of his way to make shots tougher than they need to be. Watch clips of Jordan. He went out of his way to get the best look possible, and could do it.

That's the biggest difference in their offensive games - Kobe is a decent shot creator, but very often in his career, just forces up a tough shot. Jordan & Wade can get a good look when they want one.

To relate this back to the topic at hand - Miller was an abysmal defender and couldn't create himself a shot at all.