Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

[ojandpizza]

To me, just watching the guys careers and how they played its tough to say who is better. To me they are both on the same level as to where their level of play fits in among the other stars of the league. Even when looking at their numbers this holds to be true.

The reason I picked Allen and still pick Allen is that to me his 'career' just seems to be slightly better.. His game was slightly more well rounded, not much but slightly.. He has higher career PPG, RPG, APG, 3pt% , he has twice as many all star appearances, he has won a championship, and he also broke Reggie's beloved 3 point record..

It's just hard to find a reason to stick Reggie higher IMO

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

So this became a Miller/Allen debate now?

[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

So this became a Miller/Allen debate now?

Sorry guys... Blame me.... It's just that comparing Reggie to Wade is a smack in Wade's face. Your talking about a player some people at a point in his career compared to Michael Jordan. Would anyone ever compare Michael Jordan to Reggie Miller at any point in his career? I think not. But if the question is would you rather have Reggie or Wade on your team. Then that's your personally opinion. But to even think Reggie is on the same plane as Wade as a basketball player alone (no rings, mvp, or finals appearence) is nuts to me.

Wade>Miller

[JODYE]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Obviously that opinion is very misguided (the comparison to Jordan), but I agree Wade was closer to Jordan level than Miller ever dreamed of being.

Really the initial comparison of Wade, Miller was blasphemous in itself. I think the Allen/Miller comparison has always been a much more natural one and rightfully so.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

The thing is, I think Miller was the more efficient scorer, but I think Allen had the better overall talent. Allen was able to get a shot off the dribble, drive, and dunk it in your face to go with the dead eye long range game. I think if Allen would have had the teams that Miller had, Allen would have been just as effective.

Allen's offensive game when healthy and he had knees was just insanely good. Allen's years between 1999 and 2002 were probably better than anything Reggie could have done.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

What makes Reggie Miller the more efficient scorer?

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Took less shots, shot a better percentage and score roughly at the same clip as Allen.

[ojandpizza]

While Reggie did shoot a higher FG% Ray Allen shot better from 3, from the line, and scored slightly more points.. That has to at least be a draw between the two

[raul24NDLAL12]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Dwayne Wade compared to MJ just lol.

[st0rmb11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Okay, I've seen 2 people in the last 2 pages laugh at or dismiss the Jordan/Wade comparison.

No one in here is saying that Wade was ever near as good as Jordan, but if you just look at their games, on the surface, Dwyane Wade for a 2 or 3 year stretch had almost an identical skillset to Michael Jordan; and if you say he didn't, you never really watched both of them play.

You watch Dwyane Wade in those 2006 finals, and that was almost a mirror image of a young Michael Jordan, with the way he attacked the basket and took over games.

I will never say that Dwyane Wade, in his prime, was as good as Jordan. But, their play-styles were VERY similar (more so than Kobe & Jordan).

As far as Ray Allen vs Reggie Miller goes - I agree wholeheartedly with OSU.

Reggie may be the better spot up shooter, but Ray throughout his career, Ray has been MUCH better with the ball, as an attacker and as a creator (for himself and others). Before he got to Boston and started filling a role, he could do it all on offense. He was, of course, a knock down shooter. But, unlike Reggie, he could cross anyone over and either pull up for a little 15 footer, attack and dunk on someone, or dish to an open teammate.

But, what separates the two for me is that once Ray got to Boston and bought into a system on defense, he became a significantly better defender than Reggie Miller ever could have pretended to be.

[bamalam]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

"You have Gervin WAY over rated!
The guy couldn't guard his own shadow nor ever tried to.
He was a good scorer that shot damn near every time he touched the ball.
Wade is twice the player he ever was."





_rexler overrated also

[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Okay, I've seen 2 people in the last 2 pages laugh at or dismiss the Jordan/Wade comparison.

No one in here is saying that Wade was ever near as good as Jordan, but if you just look at their games, on the surface, Dwyane Wade for a 2 or 3 year stretch had almost an identical skillset to Michael Jordan; and if you say he didn't, you never really watched both of them play.

You watch Dwyane Wade in those 2006 finals, and that was almost a mirror image of a young Michael Jordan, with the way he attacked the basket and took over games.

I will never say that Dwyane Wade, in his prime, was as good as Jordan. But, their play-styles were VERY similar (more so than Kobe & Jordan).

As far as Ray Allen vs Reggie Miller goes - I agree wholeheartedly with OSU.

Reggie may be the better spot up shooter, but Ray throughout his career, Ray has been MUCH better with the ball, as an attacker and as a creator (for himself and others). Before he got to Boston and started filling a role, he could do it all on offense. He was, of course, a knock down shooter. But, unlike Reggie, he could cross anyone over and either pull up for a little 15 footer, attack and dunk on someone, or dish to an open teammate.

But, what separates the two for me is that once Ray got to Boston and bought into a system on defense, he became a significantly better defender than Reggie Miller ever could have pretended to be.

QFT! Been saying that for a while now.

[mrclutch]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

This is so clearly Reggie. I think it speaks to the age of some of our OSers that Wade is ahead in the poll.

Reggie was the best player on his team by about his 3rd season and stayed the man until he retired. Like several teams from his era the Pacers just kept running into a couple Super Elite teams (Bulls, Lakers) or they would likely have won a championship. Reggie got his team to the final by shear force of will only to get beat by Kobe and Shaq. Wade never even made the finals without Shaq or Lebron being the man. Take a look at the Heats record when Shaq and Lebron were not around.

On the HOF question Wade would be in if he retired today. Basketball HOF isn't near as hard to get into as the other sports.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

This is so clearly Reggie. I think it speaks to the age of some of our OSers that Wade is ahead in the poll.

Reggie was the best player on his team by about his 3rd season and stayed the man until he retired. Like several teams from his era the Pacers just kept running into a couple Super Elite teams (Bulls, Lakers) or they would likely have won a championship. Reggie got his team to the final by shear force of will only to get beat by Kobe and Shaq. Wade never even made the finals without Shaq or Lebron being the man. Take a look at the Heats record when Shaq and Lebron were not around.

On the HOF question Wade would be in if he retired today. Basketball HOF isn't near as hard to get into as the other sports.

I hear you, and I think people are remembering the veteran Miller who was a spot-up shooter rather than the younger Miller who was a more complete scorer.

That being said, I think you're underestimating Wade's contributions to the Heat.

Yes, he had Shaq by his side in 2006, but Wade was the man in the Finals that year. He was Finals MVP and led the Heat in scoring every single game. After the Heat dropped the first two games of the series, they won four straight with Wade scoring 42, 36, 43, and 36 points, respectively. He put the Heat on his back.

He also led the Heat in scoring in four of the six games in the 2011 Finals.

He's been great.

[ojandpizza]

This is so clearly Reggie. I think it speaks to the age of some of our OSers that Wade is ahead in the poll.

Reggie was the best player on his team by about his 3rd season and stayed the man until he retired. Like several teams from his era the Pacers just kept running into a couple Super Elite teams (Bulls, Lakers) or they would likely have won a championship. Reggie got his team to the final by shear force of will only to get beat by Kobe and Shaq. Wade never even made the finals without Shaq or Lebron being the man. Take a look at the Heats record when Shaq and Lebron were not around.

On the HOF question Wade would be in if he retired today. Basketball HOF isn't near as hard to get into as the other sports.

I'm old enough to watch Reggie is his older days and this post makes me assume that you must be somewhat biased.

First of all- being "the man" on your team doesn't always mean you're better than another player. Kobe wasn't "the man" when Shaq was around, Pip wasn't "the man" with Jordan, and Worthy was only the "3rd man" in LA and all of those guys were better than Reggie..

2nd of all - Reggie got his team to the finals by shear force?? Really man? You do realize he didn't even lead his team in scoring that season... He did lead them in scoring in the playoffs but still unimpressive numbers, but did have a big game against the Knicks (game 6 I think?? Maybe 5? Don't remember)

3rd- Shaq was NOT the man on that Heat team. Wade was absolutely ridiculous in the playoffs that year. I believe the guy above me already posted you some numbers, and we all know Wade won finals MVP... And who cares if Wade didn't win a ring without Shaq or LeBron? Reggie didn't win one at all.

Despite Reggie being the best player on his team for most of his career it doesn't overcome the fact that Wade has been a better scorer, rebounder, passer, defensive player, and winner.. I'm just not sure where you see the edge in Millers game.