Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

[The 24th Letter]

Oh c'mon, some fouls maybe have been harder but they were still called as fouls.. Why do people act like 90s games were no call boxing matches or something..

And what does "pre-roid age Wade" mean?

Lol, I realize the era was tougher but you would think it was Arch Rivals where people were getting punched the face while dribbling...

[DamnYanks2]

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Oh c'mon, some fouls maybe have been harder but they were still called as fouls.. Why do people act like 90s games were no call boxing matches or something..

And what does "pre-roid age Wade" mean?

Yea, I'm with you, I hear what your saying Mccoy, but i think your over thinking the physicality in the 90's, yes it was more smash mouth basketball then, but guys didn't unleash uppercuts on you, if you drove the ball. Wade would have been fine, even with the kamikaze style he played.

I think the roughness and brutality of the league is being overrated in the 90's. Probably a hell of alot rougher going back to the 80's and farther back.

LOL I never heard of Wade being on roids, I don't dispute it, but I never read that anywhere.

[DamnYanks2]

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i feel like we are going around in circles a bit, and i accept that maybe that is my fault because maybe im not stating things clear enough.

what i mean by 4gotten is that i believe that wade will not be remember in the light that he truly deserves to be remembered in.

whether or not wade is as good as lebron as a player b4 they teamed up i guess was somewhat up for debate. i mean its not like wade didnt have his supporters who felt he was the very best player in the league.

but regardless of that debate, wade based on his talent level had the potential to write a legacy that could have been equal to or superior to LBJ. that is his highest shine.

and now history will not remember him in his greatest light possible.history will regard him in a much dimmer light.

the nba will not let you 4get mj, bird or magic. history will not let us 4get kobe or lebron. and wade had that type of ability. to be a player history would just not let you 4get about.

and it is now my personal opinion that because of being next to lebron history will not remember wade in his full glory. we has 2 rings now and he's being looked over to a large degree.

ill go back to what i said earlier, had kobe had stayed with shaq history would have not remember him for his true greatness, because shaq would have always been a cloud hanging over his shine. and thus diminishing his true greatness.

its the same reason nobody ever considers Kareem the greatest of all time when in actually a case could be atleast argued that he is, but because he's not magic in a way history has "kinda" 4gotten just how great Cap' was. i mean ppl know he was great but its like they dont respect that greatness at the level that they should.

again pippen was a great player, but does history remember pippen 4 his greatness or does history only remember pippen because history remembers mj?

we all know that lebron is a stat-sheets wet dream, so lets say the heat go on to win mulitple titles. 25yrs from now when all these games we are currently watching start to lose their in-game context. (because it always happens that way). will history remember wade properly? or will history just look at lebrons stat-sheet and say lebron carried wade. thats why i say wade is in the same boat as pippen and he other examples i gave.

of course wades name wont fall into oblivion, but his name will not ring bells 4ever like it had the cahnce to either.

and even tho wade is a better overall player than reggie, i believe 4 whatever the reason, maybe because reggie was able to shine at his full capacity even tho he is not as great a player as wade his name will live on in greater fondness than wades.

so thats what i mean when i say that they are setting wade up to be 4gotten.

again wade is a great player, of course as of now he will be remembered as the 3rd best sg ever, but 25yrs from now will ppl truly truly understand and remember just how great that spot really is.

i have my doubts about that.

No, I completely understand everything that you said now, I see where your coming from, but if fans forget Wade's greatness that's on them. I would think, ask Miami fans on here, that Wade will always be the man that carved the way for Miami, that they remember him going all out on some of those poor *** teams he was surrounded with.

Wade's legacy will maintain it's glory, but yes, it's Lebron's time now, and Wade know's it and relishes it. Like I said, if people wanna let Wade drift out of their mind, and forget how great he is, it's on them.

[HMcCoy]

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Lol..uppercuts.

Bottom line, Wade couldn't throw himself into traffic the way he does now, especially in the grimy early 90's Pat Riley Knick days. That foul he took from Rondo wouldn't be a flagrant but just a good tough foul that he would have taken REGULARLY if he drove as much as he does now. Its not just about the contact, but the entire occurance, including the hard landings.

No punches to the face...but how many hard, awkward falls could Wade bounce up from?

[JerzeyReign]

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I think thats an exaggeration -- grabbing someone around the neck would have been a flagrant in the 90's as well.

The 90's was a little more physical but this WWE basketball y'all remember didn't exist.

[HMcCoy]

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I think thats an exaggeration -- grabbing someone around the neck would have been a flagrant in the 90's as well.

The 90's was a little more physical but this WWE basketball y'all remember didn't exist.

Every player, coach, pundit, and ball boy from those days maintains the major differences in physicality, but maybe us old-timers are just getting senile. Guess we just agree to disagree there.

An amused Doc Rivers had a similar take on the play.

“I don’t know what a flagrant is anymore,” said the Celtics coach. “He grabbed him around the shoulders, and as he turned — I would have been out of the league in two years. Our hand checks were harder. It’s late in the game, and officials rightly call it tight when you’re down. We can’t do that, but it’s not a big thing in this game and it shouldn’t be made one."

[The 24th Letter]

I don't get it though, did Wade get injured on Rondos foul? How many games has he missed because of "falls to the ground"? That's where i'm confused....where is this conclusion that Wade couldn't handle physical play coming from?

Outside of his major injurys, I know he generally misses 7-8 games a year with stuff here and there...is that where his is coming from?

[JerzeyReign]

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Every player, coach, pundit, and ball boy from those days maintains the major differences in physicality, but maybe us old-timers are just getting senile. Guess we just agree to disagree there.

I agree with the game being more physical but that play would have been a flagrant in the 90s as well -- I grew up on 90's basketball. By the way, I agree with what Rondo did -- game is out of reach and you are trying to get a highlight. Game doesn't work like that. Wade should of passed it to someone who doesn't get a bunch of shots and let them put it up.

I think you 'old-timers' like to claim everything was better back in your day - women, music, tv, quality of spam.... I mean, guys are really trying to turn Reggie into a super hero, lol. We need an OS Nursing Home for you people

[TajDeni]

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I mean, guys are really trying to turn Reggie into a super hero, lol.

i dont know if its that as much as some of us are just really shock at what seems to be a lack of appreciation for how good of a baller he really was. think thats it more than anything.

edit; i mean ppl are in this thread comparing him to rip hamilton when he played for the pistons. in my book thats is a complete lack of appreciation.

[jeebs9]

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I think a RIP Hamilton comparison is on par for me. But comparing Hamilton to Wade would never happen. That's the same way I think of Reggie vs Wade. It's a down right joke.

RIP is a catch and shoot kind of guy. Reggie was the same exact way. You weren't going to ask these guys to take a team on its back and carry it to victory. But if you needed one big huge shot. You'd call their number for sure. While in Wade... You were going ride him like a horse win or lose. He's going to be the one handling the ball. He's going to be the one who takes the last shot. He is the one your going to look for a huge stop from (on defense or rebound). Your just not going to ask those things from RIP or Reggie.

Like I been saying. If you want to say "If you had a team". Which shooting would you want on your team. And you said Reggie. I have no problem with that. But you just can't sit here and tell me that Reggie is better than Wade overall as a basketball player.

edit: While I'm here. Would anyone here compare Reggie Miller to Allen Iverson? Because that's who I compare Wade to (smaller version).

[TajDeni]

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I think a RIP Hamilton comparison is on par for me. But comparing Hamilton to Wade would never happen. That's the same way I think of Reggie vs Wade. It's a down right joke.

RIP is a catch and shoot kind of guy. Reggie was the same exact way. You weren't going to ask these guys to take a team on its back and carry it to victory. But if you needed one big huge shot. You'd call their number for sure. While in Wade... You were going ride him like a horse win or lose. He's going to be the one handling the ball. He's going to be the one who takes the last shot. He is the one your going to look for a huge stop from (on defense or rebound). Your just not going to ask those things from RIP or Reggie.

Like I been saying. If you want to say "If you had a team". Which shooting would you want on your team. And you said Reggie. I have no problem with that. But you just can't sit here and tell me that Reggie is better than Wade overall as a basketball player.

edit: While I'm here. Would anyone here compare Reggie Miller to Allen Iverson? Because that's who I compare Wade to (smaller version).

i guess this is where i start to disconnect from majority of the ppl posting on this topic. while he never did get a title i do consider reggie a franchise-type player that you could build a team around and seriously compete for a title. while i dont consider rip or ray ray a franchise type player.

to me wade is, reggie is...(franchise players)

[jeebs9]

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^^ And I totally respect that ^^

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.... Still think Wade is better lol

[TajDeni]

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errrrrrrrrrrrrr, lets pump the brakes for a second.

this board caught me completely slipping in something that was previously said. and got me buying into it also.

wade is not considered the 3rd greatest sg. majority of ppl prolly would say that jerry west is. i doubt very many ppl consider wade better than jerry west historically at this point. is wade considered better than drexler? iverson? and not talent 4 talent but historically do basketball historians consider wade already better than reggie career wise? im sure im 4getting some older guys as well.

i mean now that i think about it its debatable whether or not wade is even top 5 sg of all-time.

you sneaky guys

[jeebs9]

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Sneaky...lol

You just tried to pull the law talk with me lol jk

I never said anything about history. Or who is the best SG of all time. I'm talking about Reggie Miller vs Dwayne Wade right here. I didn't want to bring it up. But it seems I have. In what is probably Wade's best season of his whole career. The year 2006. He carried that team to the NBA finals. And won. What was Reggie's best season in comparison? Pick any of them. I don't think any of them stand up to Wade's 2006 season. Reggie has plently of outstanding playoff games/shots. But he never put a team on his back and won the whole thing like Wade did. End of story...

[ojandpizza]

errrrrrrrrrrrrr, lets pump the brakes for a second.

this board caught me completely slipping in something that was previously said. and got me buying into it also.

wade is not considered the 3rd greatest sg. majority of ppl prolly would say that jerry west is. i doubt very many ppl consider wade better than jerry west historically at this point. is wade considered better than drexler? iverson? and not talent 4 talent but historically do basketball historians consider wade already better than reggie career wise? im sure im 4getting some older guys as well.

i mean now that i think about it its debatable whether or not wade is even top 5 sg of all-time.

you sneaky guys

I posted a long list ranking my personal top SGs of all time a few pages back and I also had Wade missing the top 5 (for now anyways). But I don't think I even had Reggie in my top 10..

But whether Wade should be considered the 3rd best SG of all time or not even in the top 5 doesn't really have much to do with the Wade vs. Miller debate.