Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

[raYne]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

I'm a huge Miller fan, so it pains me to say this, but Wade would win hands down. He's got a way more complete game. Miller is clutch, running through screens and catch and shoot. Maybe a Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen would be a closer comparison.

[ehh]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Reggie was definitely not a franchise player. There's a reason why you never hear his name mentioned in "Player X never won a title because of MJ" like Ewing, Barkley, Malone, etc.

Reggie was the face of the franchise and the team's leader. He was a character, love him or hate him, but he was certainly not a franchise player.

Reggie benefited from playing against the Knicks and Bulls in those playoff series but as I've said a thousand times on OS he is by far the most overrated player from the 90's. Mitch Richmond was easily a better player, just buried on awful teams, yet Mitch isn't in the Hall.

[TajDeni]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Sneaky...lol

You just tried to pull the law talk with me lol jk

I never said anything about history. Or who is the best SG of all time. I'm talking about Reggie Miller vs Dwayne Wade right here. I didn't want to bring it up. But it seems I have. In what is probably Wade's best season of his whole career. The year 2006. He carried that team to the NBA finals. And won. What was Reggie's best season in comparison? Pick any of them. I don't think any of them stand up to Wade's 2006 season. Reggie has plently of outstanding playoff games/shots. But he never put a team on his back and won the whole thing like Wade did. End of story...

i never said that you said wade was the 3rd greatest shooting guard, but some ppl in this thread were saying that...thats all

and wade put 1 playoff series on his back (a very big series but nonetheless only 1) and he was getting the most bs ticky tack fouls called ever. and lets be completely honest about it. Dirk choked that series away. all he had to do is hit 2 free-throws and he's the nba champ. thats the like the qb fumbling the kneel down play to win the game. wade carried it but only cuz dirk choked it away. this 1 series is wades entire claim to fame.

4wiw, we are not arguing that reggie is better than wade as a talent but rather reggie's career is on par with wade's. so reggies not a franchise player because he got to the finals and lost to the unstoppable lakers yet wade is a franchise player cuz he carried the heat in one series dirk chocked away at the freethrow line?

and i remember dirk saying that they werent even concerned with stopping wade because they were so concerned with shaq. if you remember wade and dirk exchanged words over those comments, then it came up again in the finals when wade in lebron made fun of dirks injury.

so again if reggie is just a face of a franchise, on what grouns is wade a franchise player and not just a face. because reggie has taken over a series b4. im not aying wade isnt a franchise player but 4 me to buy that reggie isnt and wade is cuz wade carried 1 series, well yall gonna have to do better than that.

im mean wade in his prime got his own team hijacked from him and got demoted to sidekick. he's lucky lbj solved his demons or wade was considered trade bait.

yup yall gonna have to do better than yall doing. in terms of career wise.

and on that note goodnight

[ojandpizza]

i never said that you said wade was the 3rd greatest shooting guard, but some ppl in this thread were saying that...thats all

and wade put 1 playoff series on his back (a very big series but nonetheless only 1) and he was getting the most bs ticky tack fouls called ever. and lets be completely honest about it. Dirk choked that series away. all he had to do is hit 2 free-throws and he's the nba champ. thats the like the qb fumbling the kneel down play to win the game. wade carried it but only cuz dirk choked it away. this 1 series is wades entire claim to fame.

4wiw, we are not arguing that reggie is better than wade as a talent but rather reggie's career is on par with wade's. so reggies not a franchise player because he got to the finals and lost to the unstoppable lakers yet wade is a franchise player cuz he carried the heat in one series dirk chocked away at the freethrow line?

and i remember dirk saying that they werent even concerned with stopping wade because they were so concerned with shaq. if you remember wade and dirk exchanged words over those comments, then it came up again in the finals when wade in lebron made fun of dirks injury.

so again if reggie is just a face of a franchise, on what grouns is wade a franchise player and not just a face. because reggie has taken over a series b4. im not aying wade isnt a franchise player but 4 me to buy that reggie isnt and wade is cuz wade carried 1 series, well yall gonna have to do better than that.

im mean wade in his prime got his own team hijacked from him and got demoted to sidekick. he's lucky lbj solved his demons or wade was considered trade bait.

yup yall gonna have to do better than yall doing. in terms of career wise.

and on that note goodnight

Idk what point you're actually trying to base your argument on.. It seems as of you are against Wade but not for Reggie as you really haven't mentioned anything that he has done. You've only tried to find holes in what Wade has done..

Regardless of that series, even if Wade would had lost, he has still been a better player than Reggie over the course of his career..

And again what does Wade being a second option have to do with anything at all? I guess Reggie was better than Pippen, Kareem, McHale, Kemp, Drexler, Barkley, Stockton/Malone, Kobe, Rodman, Worthy, Garnett, Duncan, etc.. All because at times in their careers they've played 2nd or 3rd option roles as well??

I just don't see any validity in some of the things you're trying to say here.

How does just being a good, not great, player and routinely making the playoffs, not winning them, give Reggie this awesome career legacy you keep claiming is there? If you can argue that's good enough for Reggie to be better than Wade does that also mean guys like Joe Johnson, or Iguodala should also be ranked higher than Wade on the SG list??

I just don't understand

[BringTheHeat]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

One word wins this argument..DEFENSE. Reggie has none whatsoever, Wade is a top 10 defensive guard of all time.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Lol..uppercuts.

Bottom line, Wade couldn't throw himself into traffic the way he does now, especially in the grimy early 90's Pat Riley Knick days. That foul he took from Rondo wouldn't be a flagrant but just a good tough foul that he would have taken REGULARLY if he drove as much as he does now. Its not just about the contact, but the entire occurance, including the hard landings.

No punches to the face...but how many hard, awkward falls could Wade bounce up from?

I think Wade in his prime could take it, he may wear down a bit more later on in his career, but like I said, I can't get behind the whole 90's was way rougher mentaltity. It was rougher, but not enough to have such a dramatic change on the game.

[TajDeni]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Idk what point you're actually trying to base your argument on.. It seems as of you are against Wade but not for Reggie as you really haven't mentioned anything that he has done. You've only tried to find holes in what Wade has done..

Regardless of that series, even if Wade would had lost, he has still been a better player than Reggie over the course of his career..

And again what does Wade being a second option have to do with anything at all? I guess Reggie was better than Pippen, Kareem, McHale, Kemp, Drexler, Barkley, Stockton/Malone, Kobe, Rodman, Worthy, Garnett, Duncan, etc.. All because at times in their careers they've played 2nd or 3rd option roles as well??

I just don't see any validity in some of the things you're trying to say here.

How does just being a good, not great, player and routinely making the playoffs, not winning them, give Reggie this awesome career legacy you keep claiming is there? If you can argue that's good enough for Reggie to be better than Wade does that also mean guys like Joe Johnson, or Iguodala should also be ranked higher than Wade on the SG list??

I just don't understand

to me theres a difference btw being a superior talent and having a superior career. ive already acknowledge that wade is a superior talent. im just saying when you really look at it what has wade accomplished in his career that makes his career therefore his legacy any better than reggies.

to me it just seems like guys are talking about wade being a superior talent which ive already stated that he is. and i agree im not knocking wade for getting demoted persay. im just saying that while he gets credit towards winning a 2nd championship, it must not count 2wards his legacy or we should be saying that wade's career not talent is better than lebrons. but it doesnt sound like you guys are willing to say that are you. are you willing to say that historically wade is a better player than lbj career wise.

because if your not why then should i give wade credit for it in regards to his career being better than reggies. alsowhen was the last time a player of wades calibeer was considered unworthy to be the team of a player who never won a championship. we can gloss over this little fact but it is a blimish against wade.

again career-wise what im asking is what has wade accomplished that he's actually getting credit for historically that reggie hasnt accomplished? i get that he took over the right series at the right time, tho i dont think its accurate to said wade carried that team to the championship, but rather he carried them thru the finals series. whereas reggie miller was the primary reason the pacer made it to the finals period. he just lost to the lakers.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

to me theres a difference btw being a superior talent and having a superior career. ive already acknowledge that wade is a superior talent. im just saying when you really look at it what has wade accomplished in his career that makes his career therefore his legacy any better than reggies.

to me it just seems like guys are talking about wade being a superior talent which ive already stated that he is. and i agree im not knocking wade for getting demoted persay. im just saying that while he gets credit towards winning a 2nd championship, it must not count 2wards his legacy or we should be saying that wade's career not talent is better than lebrons. but it doesnt sound like you guys are willing to say that are you. are you willing to say that historically wade is a better player than lbj career wise.

because if your not why then should i give wade credit for it in regards to his career being better than reggies. alsowhen was the last time a player of wades calibeer was considered unworthy to be the team of a player who never won a championship. we can gloss over this little fact but it is a blimish against wade.

again career-wise what im asking is what has wade accomplished that he's actually getting credit for historically that reggie hasnt accomplished? i get that he took over the right series at the right time, tho i dont think its accurate to said wade carried that team to the championship, but rather he carried them thru the finals series. whereas reggie miller was the primary reason the pacer made it to the finals period. he just lost to the lakers.

Being Wade, your severely misinformed about the greatness of Wade. Did you watch this guy in his prime. He was unstoppable, he threw his body literally at opposing defenses. He scored at will, Flash was literally what his name implies, he could glide by opposing defenders, and most of the time get fouled, finish, or make someone a poster. But you can't play off of him because he will sink the midrange jumper in your face, or confuse the defender with a variety of moves with a display of beautiful footwork.

On defense he'll lock you up, something Miller just did not do. He has excellent awareness, and grat timing on blocked shots and steals.

The only thing Miller did better then Wade was shoot, Wade can't hang with Miller on pure shooting, 3 pointers, and ft's.

Wade has two rings, Miller has none, which is really irrelevant in the scheme of things, bu I think your remembering too many of the buzzer beating shots Miller made in crunch time. Wade is arguably just as clutch, the year they beat the Mav's he was really the primary reason, he attacked with big bucket after big bucket to lead Miami to the title.

It's not Miller's fault. Wade is just twice the player that Miller was. And, Miller was an excellent player, borderline HOF'mer, Wade a lock and then some.

Edit: If you look at career statistics, Wade has Miller beat in almost every key category, no comparison.

[ojandpizza]

to me theres a difference btw being a superior talent and having a superior career. ive already acknowledge that wade is a superior talent. im just saying when you really look at it what has wade accomplished in his career that makes his career therefore his legacy any better than reggies.

to me it just seems like guys are talking about wade being a superior talent which ive already stated that he is. and i agree im not knocking wade for getting demoted persay. im just saying that while he gets credit towards winning a 2nd championship, it must not count 2wards his legacy or we should be saying that wade's career not talent is better than lebrons. but it doesnt sound like you guys are willing to say that are you. are you willing to say that historically wade is a better player than lbj career wise.

because if your not why then should i give wade credit for it in regards to his career being better than reggies. alsowhen was the last time a player of wades calibeer was considered unworthy to be the team of a player who never won a championship. we can gloss over this little fact but it is a blimish against wade.

again career-wise what im asking is what has wade accomplished that he's actually getting credit for historically that reggie hasnt accomplished? i get that he took over the right series at the right time, tho i dont think its accurate to said wade carried that team to the championship, but rather he carried them thru the finals series. whereas reggie miller was the primary reason the pacer made it to the finals period. he just lost to the lakers.

Ok, "legacy" wise , stop telling me what Wade hasn't done and tell me what Miller HAS done to have a legacy as good or better than Wades?

And why does not being the main guy harm your legacy? Since Wade won a ring as a second option it doesn't count towards his legacy? Please tell me how? Does that mean Pippen has no legacy too? He was never the guy.. Kareem doesn't have a legacy? Wilt Chamerlain? Bill Walton? Julius Erving? Those guys only won one championship while being the "main guy" on their teams, that means their legacy in inferior to Reggie's as well? McHale, Parish? Garnett? Kidd ? They all won theirs while not being "the guy".

The year you keep referring to where Reggie was the main reason the team made it to the finals and lost - Reggie didn't even lead that team in scoring, he didn't even average 20 points per game.. Please explain how that is so impressive to you? Or where there is anything from that to give him this legacy you're referring to.


And no we wouldn't say Wades career legacy is better than LeBrons if we count both of Wades championships? LeBron also has 3 MVPs and has been the very best player in the league for some time now..

You can count a players championships without solely basing your comparison on them.

Example- nobody is ever going to take away Alonzo Mournings championship from him. But we aren't solely going to base his "legacy" on that and label him a better big man than guys like Ewing, or Karl Malone..

[ojandpizza]

again career-wise what im asking is what has wade accomplished that he's actually getting credit for historically that reggie hasnt accomplished? .

He tops him in nearly every major statistical category. He is a far better defender. He is a two time NBA champion. He has a finals MVP award..

Now you tell me, career-wise what has Miller accomplished that he is actually getting credit for historically that Wade hasn't?

[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Damn I was asleep for most of this. But man, ojandpizza is hitting some nails in here lol

I couldn't believe he said only in one series Wade played well lol

[ShawnKemp40]

Wade wouldn't survive in the 90's LMAO, Wade would be every bit the player he is now. All those players you named could play in either era. Your really overrating the 90's.

Lemme guess Bron couldn't survive in the 90's either.

What the hell if the refs didn't help Wade in the 06 playoffs or any game he wouldn't be the player he is today and that's a fact. Everytime he drove to the rim it would be a foul with the way the bad boy pistons fouled or the pacers Wade would think twice before driving to the rim. Hello even MJ couldn't beat the Pistons cause he was getting knocked on his *** when he drove to the rim. If the refs didn't help him out in 06 he wouldn't have a ring



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[ShawnKemp40]

One word wins this argument..DEFENSE. Reggie has none whatsoever, Wade is a top 10 defensive guard of all time.

Wade is no where close to being a top 10 defensive guard of all time . Now your just being a dick riding ******

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[jeebs9]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

What the hell if the refs didn't help Wade in the 06 playoffs or any game he wouldn't be the player he is today and that's a fact. Everytime he drove to the rim it would be a foul with the way the bad boy pistons fouled or the pacers Wade would think twice before driving to the rim. Hello even MJ couldn't beat the Pistons cause he was getting knocked on his *** when he drove to the rim. If the refs didn't help him out in 06 he wouldn't have a ring

I hate to sit here and complain about old calls. It's like in my mind I still think the Miami Hurricanes are back to back champion 2001-2003. But that's what happen. They lost vs Ohio State. Yea.. The call might have been "iffy". But at the end of the day... They lost. Let go of the past and move on. The results are in Kanye can yell all he wants that Beyonce had the best video. Taylor Swift won the award.

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I hate to sit here and complain about old calls. It's like in my mind I still think the Miami Hurricanes are back to back champion 2001-2003. But that's what happen. They lost vs Ohio State. Yea.. The call might have been "iffy". But at the end of the day... They lost. Let go of the past and move on. The results are in Kanye can yell all he wants that Beyonce had the best video. Taylor Swift won the award.

Wade is no where close to being a top 10 defensive guard of all time . Now your just being a dick riding ******

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Bruce Bowen, Mo Cheeks, Dennis Johnson, Jason Kidd, Walt Fraizer, Gary Payton, Isaish Thomas were shooting guard? I didn't know that smh.....

[plzwork12]

Bruce Bowen, Mo Cheeks, Dennis Johnson, Jason Kidd, Walt Fraizer, Gary Payton, Isaish Thomas were shooting guard? I didn't know that smh.....

He said guard, not shooting guard

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