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  • Blue
    On the road again
    • Jul 2012
    • 838

    #196
    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
    I read Schroeder has a guarantee from Utah.
    really? Guess mocks are still way off, he's been in the 20-26 pick zone, but I know the international players will rise. I think Saric, Gobert, Giannis and well I guess now Schroeder will be Lottery or right outside the Lottery. Hawks are gonna end up with whichever center falls and Rice since his stock is rising pretty fast as well.
    Last edited by Blue; 05-16-2013, 06:44 PM.
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    • bigeastbumrush
      My Momma's Son
      • Feb 2003
      • 19245

      #197
      Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

      Originally posted by Blue
      really? Guess mocks are still way off, he's been in the 20-26 pick zone, but I knew the international players will rise. I think Saric, Gobert, Giannis and well I guess now Schroeder will be Lottery or right outside the Lottery. Hawks are gonna end up with whichever center falls and Rice since his stock is rising pretty fast as well.
      Yeah. I don't understand it with Schroeder.

      I'd be all over Giannis if I was in the lottery. Upside is crazy. His measurables are ridiculous too.

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      • Sportsbuck
        The Predator
        • Jul 2006
        • 4326

        #198
        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

        Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 5m
        Nerlens Noel measurements: 6'10" in socks and 6'11.5" in shoes. 7' 3.75" wingspan and a very good 9-2 standing reach.

        Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 4m
        KU's Ben McLemore was just 6'3.5" in socks and 6'4.75" in shoes. He does, however have a 6'7.75" wingspan.

        Really hoping we end up with Noel.
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        • volstopfan14
          MVP
          • Jul 2010
          • 2307

          #199
          Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by sportsbuck
          Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 5m
          Nerlens Noel measurements: 6'10" in socks and 6'11.5" in shoes. 7' 3.75" wingspan and a very good 9-2 standing reach.

          Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 4m
          KU's Ben McLemore was just 6'3.5" in socks and 6'4.75" in shoes. He does, however have a 6'7.75" wingspan.

          Really hoping we end up with Noel.
          I'm also hoping that the Bobcats get Noel. As long as he is healthy, I think he can be a defensive game changer. Injuries are the only concern I have with him.

          Personally, I wouldn't take McClemore in the top 5. I'd be surprised if he turns out to be anything more than a good role player.
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          • redsrule
            All Star
            • Apr 2010
            • 9396

            #200
            Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

            Whatever team picks Noel will most likely have him take his recovery slow and try and get on the Andrew Wiggins 2014 sweepstakes.

            Measurements for all the guys on ESPN (Need insider)
            http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...ncern-some-gms
            Last edited by redsrule; 05-16-2013, 10:27 PM.
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            • BleacherBum2310
              All Star
              • Aug 2010
              • 7107

              #201
              Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

              Trey Burke. 5'11.75" in socks. 6'1.25" shoes. 6'5.5" wingspan. via Chad Ford
              That's huge for him, still has an outside shot at Top selection depending what falls. I mean teams are up there.
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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                • Dec 2006
                • 17294

                #202
                Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                That's huge for him, still has an outside shot at Top selection depending what falls. I mean teams are up there.
                Yeah, that combined with Nerlens Noel measuring out at 205 LBs is huge. Noel better be able to convince teams that he's only at that weight because he lost a lot of weight from his injury.

                Edit: A couple other significant measurements:

                MCW coming in at 6'6' with shoes... good lord
                Allen Crabbe: 6'6.25, 6'11" wingspan
                Rudy Gobert: 7'2", 7'8.5" wingspan
                Archie Goodwin: 6'5'" in shoes with a 6'9.5" wingspan
                Shane Larkin with a 5'11" and 5'10.5" wingspan...that wingspan will ruin his stock completely IMO
                Shabazz: 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan...should erase any doubts that he's big enough to play SF in the NBA
                Victor Oladipo: 6'4" with a 6'9" wingspan is huge for him
                Peyton Siva: 6'1" in shoes?!? My god, he looked like he was 5'10" on tape
                Otto Porter: 6'8.5" with a 7'1.5" wingspan
                Dennis Schroeder: 6'2" with a 6'7" wingspan
                James Southerland: 6'8" with a 7'1" wingspan and 220 LBs... might be enough there to advertise himself as a potential stretch 4?
                Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 05-16-2013, 10:32 PM.
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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #203
                  What kind of damn shoes is he wearing to gain almost 2 inches?

                  Also, why the hell do they measure players without shoes? I assume nobody would ever play barefoot.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #204
                    Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    Why do drafts no longer have those immediate franchise changing players. The guys like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Akeem, Ewing, Barkley, Duncan, Shaq, LeBron, etc..

                    I guess Kyrie and Lillard are the closest in awhile now, but with so many outstanding guards in the league right now it sorta negates how well they did.
                    Did you consider Lillard to be one of them before he was drafted or after the fact?
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                    • Yeah...THAT Guy
                      Once in a Lifetime Memory
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 17294

                      #205
                      Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Did you consider Lillard to be one of them before he was drafted or after the fact?
                      This is an important point. I don't think there's any guys that are locks to be franchise changers at all in this draft, but there's definitely some guys that have that potential (but actually reaching that potential is a separate manner, and I'm working under the definition that a franchise changer is someone that can either change the culture of a team or catapult them from horrific to playoff team, or playoff team to contender).

                      MCW, Gobert, McLemore, any of these Euro guys, etc. And I think a guy like Burke or Oladipo, while having more limited potential IMO, can sort of change the culture of a team or become a leader for a team.

                      Next year's draft is the one that's supposedly going to have the guys that are all-time great caliber, but we'll see. Guys in the following year's draft are always hyped up like crazy because we usually don't see any of their weaknesses until they start playing in college.
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                      • Sportsbuck
                        The Predator
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 4326

                        #206
                        Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by volstopfan14
                        I'm also hoping that the Bobcats get Noel. As long as he is healthy, I think he can be a defensive game changer. Injuries are the only concern I have with him.
                        Agreed. I used to want McLemore, but as of late I've jumped on the Noel bandwagon.

                        He's undersized, yes, and you'll have to take it slow with him in his rookie year. But he has unbelievable quicks and great shot-blocking ability. Even if his offensive game only becomes passable, his defense would make it a worthy investment alone IMO.

                        You win with defense, and having MKG and Noel on the same with with Biz manning the floor gives the Bobcats a nice base on that side of the ball. Granted, there are literally no scorers in the 3-5 in that lineup, but you hope for development to lead them to be servicable and find some scoring in free agency or the draft.
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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #207
                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          Did you consider Lillard to be one of them before he was drafted or after the fact?
                          I thought Lillard would be a good scorer right off the bat. I had no idea he would be a good of an all around player he was. And a better outside shooter than I would have guessed.

                          Kyrie surprised me too though, I wasn't really big on him coming in to the draft. I love his game now though.

                          So I guess to answer your question it would be after the fact for both of them.. But really they aren't even at the level of player I'm talking about, just the closest I could think of in recent years

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #208
                            Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Would you put Steph Curry in that category or say he's been closer than those two in terms of what you said?
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                            • bigeastbumrush
                              My Momma's Son
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19245

                              #209
                              Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                              I wouldn't take Nerlens higher than #5.

                              C/PF is the strength of this very weak draft class IMO. I think Nerlens is a PF. He has no offensive game. I'd take Gorbert and Len before I take Nerlens. And Gorbert is a project but I think he'll eventually contribute somehow on offense. Gorbert would be my #1 C/PF and Len would be my #2 off the board. Nerlens would be my #3.

                              I like Steven Adams of Pitt as well and I'd take him over Zeller.

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                              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 17294

                                #210
                                Re: 2013 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Kenny Kadji just helped himself a lot with a good vertical to combine with his size and jumpshot.

                                Also, if I read it right, Cody Zeller out jumped Plumlee by 5 inches and had the highest vert out of any of the centers to this point. Absolutely never would have guessed that lol.

                                Edit: Also also, I love Steven Adams body, but don't like his skillset at all personally.
                                Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 05-17-2013, 10:29 AM.
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