2014 Draft Discussion

[Caveman24]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

How many franchise players do you think are in this year draft?

I don't like to do the "can't miss franchise players". It's WAY to early to tell I feel like sometimes these kids are put under way to much presser(ESPN hype train). We have to realize bust happens all the time. At some point Oden was #1,Hasheem was number 2. Some of these kids will be bust/injury prone sadly .

[Caveman24]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Damn man, some folks were making it seem like Randle and Cousins are as bad as David Lee and Blake Griffin on defense

He's decent I haven't missed a UK game in forever I seen them come and go.He hasn't been a Liggins or Tayshaun. He hasn't been that bad neither also tough to judge due to the easy schedule thus far.

[redsrule]

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Damn man, some folks were making it seem like Randle and Cousins are as bad as David Lee and Blake Griffin on defense

Nowhere near that bad imo. Randle is 5 games into his college career, so obviously he needs to improve on a lot of things. I still think he's the most complete player right now in this class. Parker is a tweener imo, but I saw on ESPN recently that someone was saying he was a 2/3 and I was so confused, because he is definitely not a 2 guard lol.

Yeah from I watched so far Randle boxing out is pretty box. It's still earlier something minor he can work on.

I also feel like Alex Poythress will be somewhat forgotten just like when we had T.Jones come back. And anyone don't know the Harrison twins are for real glad to have them on the squad.

That's not a great comparison with Poythress and Jones imo. Jones was a top 5 recruit, and a great player at UK. Poythess has shown flashes, but unlike Jones, he likes to disappear from games. He obviously wasn't talked about as much because Anthony Davis and MKG were getting more "hype" than him. He's showing now though how good he is, even if it has been only a few games.

Regarding the Harrison's, I know a lot of people ITT aren't big on them, but you need to give them time, especially for Andrew, because the PG spot in Cal's system always takes time to get used to. Wall, Rose, Teague, Knight all struggled early in it. If he is still struggling in March, then I'd say I would be worried about drafting him.

[Caveman24]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

That's not a great comparison with Poythress and Jones imo. Jones was a top 5 recruit, and a great player at UK. Poythess has shown flashes, but unlike Jones, he likes to disappear from games. He obviously wasn't talked about as much because Anthony Davis and MKG were getting more "hype" than him. He's showing now though how good he is, even if it has been only a few games.

Regarding the Harrison's, I know a lot of people ITT aren't big on them, but you need to give them time, especially for Andrew, because the PG spot in Cal's system always takes time to get used too. Wall, Rose, Teague, Knight all struggled early in it. If he is still struggling in March, then I'd say I would be worried about drafting him.[/quote]

What I meant by Poythess and Jones is in terms of draft status. Alot of people had Poythess top 5-15 last season when we started our season. I feel like he still could've went that range last season had he declared. Only thing I'm saying is with all the recruits he might take a back seat like TJ did. Also let's not forget Alex was top 10 recruit as well.

I was just wondering would that hurt him a lot worst than TJ. There's no doubt what Terrance did for our program.One of my favorite UK players of all time right next to Prince

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Nowhere near that bad imo. Randle is 5 games into his college career, so obviously he needs to improve on a lot of things. I still think he's the most complete player right now in this class. Parker is a tweener imo, but I saw on ESPN recently that someone was saying he was a 2/3 and I was so confused, because he is definitely not a 2 guard lol.



That's not a great comparison with Poythress and Jones imo. Jones was a top 5 recruit, and a great player at UK. Poythess has shown flashes, but unlike Jones, he likes to disappear from games. He obviously wasn't talked about as much because Anthony Davis and MKG were getting more "hype" than him. He's showing now though how good he is, even if it has been only a few games.

Regarding the Harrison's, I know a lot of people ITT aren't big on them, but you need to give them time, especially for Andrew, because the PG spot in Cal's system always takes time to get used to. Wall, Rose, Teague, Knight all struggled early in it. If he is still struggling in March, then I'd say I would be worried about drafting him.

Parker is a tweener? He seems like a legit NBA small forward to me.. If anything Randle looks like the tweener.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Neither Parker nor Randle are tweeners IMO. They are clear cut. Parker is exactly in the mold of PP/Granger/Hill/George and Randle is in the mold of ZBO.

[jeebs9]

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Parker is a tweener? He seems like a legit NBA small forward to me.. If anything Randle looks like the tweener.

I don't know where people get their stuff from lol. Tweener haha... Biggest joke I've heard. You know who is tweener? Aaron Gordon and Marcus Smart. Parker has too much skill to be anything but a SF. He might play other positions. But he will be mainly be SF.

I don't like to do the "can't miss franchise players". It's WAY to early to tell I feel like sometimes these kids are put under way to much presser(ESPN hype train). We have to realize bust happens all the time. At some point Oden was #1,Hasheem was number 2. Some of these kids will be bust/injury prone sadly .

Hey this is the only subject I like to sit here and fantasize about the players and where people think are when it comes to the NBA.


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[ojandpizza]

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Neither Parker nor Randle are tweeners IMO. They are clear cut. Parker is exactly in the mold of PP/Granger/Hill/George and Randle is in the mold of ZBO.

To me, Randle isn't nearly as big and as strong as Zbo.. I don't think he'll just move everyone out of his way in the pros like he does now.. And I don't know if he has a jump shot as good as Zbo's either.. Everything I see him shoot is a one handed lefty in the lane.. So I really don't know what he can do.

He's going to have a great college career because he's bigger and stronger than most those guys, and he's quicker than them. But I think as a pro he'll have a rough first couple seasons.. I don't see him quick enough off the dribble to just get where ever he wants in the pros, or strong enough to just brush players aside. Both of which are 90% why he is so successful right now..

Also, how many other players in the league are Zbo-esque? It's rare someone with that body style and play style ends up being a great player.. Not saying Randle can't, but the other guys show more promise to me.

[ex carrabba fan]

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ZBO always had a gut to him, while as Randle doesn't. He's definitely slimmer but weight wise, Randle could easily get to ZBO, I think they're already close.

ZBO has a lot of skill and touch, I think which is often overlooked. He's always had such great fundamentals and great hands. Randle just reminds me of ZBO so much in that regard. It's a matter of time to see if Randle's body can get bigger to bang like ZBO does on the next level. But as far as the skill and footwork, I think Randle is well on his way.

[jeebs9]

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Totally agree with Ex in both of your last post.

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[ojandpizza]

ZBO always had a gut to him, while as Randle doesn't. He's definitely slimmer but weight wise, Randle could easily get to ZBO, I think they're already close.

ZBO has a lot of skill and touch, I think which is often overlooked. He's always had such great fundamentals and great hands. Randle just reminds me of ZBO so much in that regard. It's a matter of time to see if Randle's body can get bigger to bang like ZBO does on the next level. But as far as the skill and footwork, I think Randle is well on his way.

I'm not really worried about where he's at weight wise.. What I meant was that right now he isn't really a post up player. He always gets it in more of a face up position and right now at the college level he's quick enough to beat his man or just move him out of his way..

At the NBA level he isn't going to be strong enough to just move those guys or quick enough to just beat them all to the spot he wants.. Regardless of what he weighs or doesn't weight it's going to be a massive jump in how athletic and strong the guys guarding him will be..

What separates him from ZBo now is that with ZBo I know he has good footwork in the post, I know ZBo can knock in post fade-a-ways, and I know he can hit the open jumpers and space the floor.. That's the kind of things I need to see from Randle that I haven't saw yet..

Right now it's a lot of get to your spot whenever you want a take that bigman "floater" or whatever you want to call his shot.. Which is fine now, but at the next level he's going to really need a good midrange jumper or great footwork posting up..

I'm not saying he can't become a great pro, or can't become a ZBo, I just think it'll be a slower process for him. I think the other top prospects are more NBA play style guys, where with Randle he might have to take a little longer to fit in with the pro game... Like I said, how many of these bigger built guys end up being a great player the way ZBo did? It's rare, a lot of these guys have the struggles with not being explosive enough or not having a good enough jumper, ZBo just had the right tools..

Again not saying Randle can't become a great pro, I just think it'll be slower for him and if I'm a team needing an immediate impact I feel their are safer pics available... He is a great colleges player though, may end up being the best college player in the nation this year. I just have worries about how quickly his game will translate is all.

[turty11]

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Neither Parker nor Randle are tweeners IMO. They are clear cut. Parker is exactly in the mold of PP/Granger/Hill/George and Randle is in the mold of ZBO.

imo this is wrong about parker, hes streth 4 sized, the rest of these guys are 3/2's where i see parker as a solid starter in the NBA at either the 3 or 4, depends on his team.

100% agree on the randle part, but hes got so much more athleticism and upside than zbo


--unfortunately as MANY MANY writers/analysts have said, you develop your post game in college not the NBA, so chances are high he never becomes a legit post scorer in the NBA

[ojandpizza]

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imo this is wrong about parker, hes streth 4 sized, the rest of these guys are 3/2's where i see parker as a solid starter in the NBA at either the 3 or 4, depends on his team.

100% agree on the randle part, but hes got so much more athleticism and upside than zbo


--unfortunately as MANY MANY writers/analysts have said, you develop your post game in college not the NBA, so chances are high he never becomes a legit post scorer in the NBA

Nothing about Parker makes me at all believe he's a 4. Where do you see that?

[ex carrabba fan]

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OJ I hear you on Randle.

As far as Parker being a 4, I mean in limited minutes sure, but other than that I don't see how or why you'd want him to be 4. His game is tailor made for the 3.

[jeebs9]

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Yea I don't get what he is saying at all. I don't know any 4 that can make it steal and go full court and finish between 3 defenders.

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