2014 Draft Discussion

[ehh]

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What's the feeling on CJ Fair? Good pro prospect?

DX doesn't like him. Givony called him a non-skilled player on Twitter yesterday before the game.

Speaking of him, he also tweeted this...

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress 15h
Fixed/updated: Jabari Parker is 44/114 (38%) from 2-point range over the last 11 games (including tonight). 10/37 (27%) from 3-point range.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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DX doesn't like him. Givony called him a non-skilled player on Twitter yesterday before the game.

Speaking of him, he also tweeted this...

I really don't think Jabari is nearly as "NBA-ready" as people make him out to be. A lot of people think he'll be able to average 20 points a game as a rookie. If he does, I think it will be on low efficiency. I really think it's going to take him a good amount of time to adjust to the athleticism of the NBA. It seemed like he got blocked at least 5 times last night against Syracuse, and he's struggled against athletic defenders all year. And yeah, if you take out the first 3 games of the year, he's shooting under 30% from 3 I believe.

He's in the 2nd tier of prospects after Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum for me.

[ehh]

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I'm still high on him though I agree he might not come into the league and average 20 ppg. Who knows though, MCW is putting up crazy numbers as a rookie for a guy that never looked that special in college.

Back to Parker, he's so skilled at such a young age and I think he'll get into better shape. He's Top 3 with Embiid and Wiggins to me - unless someone rolls the dice on Exum to push Parker to #4. I don't think anything will change with Smart or Randle to make me put them ahead of Parker. Certainly not Smart.

Parker did have a rough time last night re: getting blocked but I'm not going to hold it against him too much, few young players (hell, few experienced players) know how to attack the inside of a 2-3 zone. Cuse did a good job of swarming him in the paint. He did have a few nice finishes though, that left handed dunk over/around Christmas - that's a pretty special move.

[og236]

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I really don't think Jabari is nearly as "NBA-ready" as people make him out to be. A lot of people think he'll be able to average 20 points a game as a rookie. If he does, I think it will be on low efficiency. I really think it's going to take him a good amount of time to adjust to the athleticism of the NBA. It seemed like he got blocked at least 5 times last night against Syracuse, and he's struggled against athletic defenders all year. And yeah, if you take out the first 3 games of the year, he's shooting under 30% from 3 I believe.



He's in the 2nd tier of prospects after Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum for me.

I wouldn't say he's second tier but I agree with the fact that he isn't as NBA ready as some people have thought. I honestly don't think there is anyone in this class who is truly NBA ready. This class in my opinion is all based off athleticism, length, or potential. There's not one player I can see being as effective as they are in college at the NBA level. All about potential. I think this draft is going to disappoint GMs who think a Lebron or Melo like turnaround is going to happen in the first season.


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[ehh]

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I still think that Parker and Randle are about as NBA-ready as you'll get outside of a guy like LeBron. Even Durant and Carmelo struggled a bit during their rookie seasons despite putting up good numbers.

Durant's rookie year: TS% of .519 (.430 FG%)
Carmelo's rookie year: TS% of .509 (.426 FG%)

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm still high on him though I agree he might not come into the league and average 20 ppg. Who knows though, MCW is putting up crazy numbers as a rookie for a guy that never looked that special in college.

Back to Parker, he's so skilled at such a young age and I think he'll get into better shape. He's Top 3 with Embiid and Wiggins to me - unless someone rolls the dice on Exum to push Parker to #4. I don't think anything will change with Smart or Randle to make me put them ahead of Parker. Certainly not Smart.

Parker did have a rough time last night re: getting blocked but I'm not going to hold it against him too much, few young players (hell, few experienced players) know how to attack the inside of a 2-3 zone. Cuse did a good job of swarming him in the paint. He did have a few nice finishes though, that left handed dunk over/around Christmas - that's a pretty special move.

That was a really nasty finish. For a guy that isn't all that athletic, he attacks the rim really aggressively.

I also thought Duke just didn't use him right at all. He seems like a perfect guy to play around the free throw line against the zone. They basically relegated him to simply catching and dunking underneath. It was a really strange strategy.

[Ice_Cold345]

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That was a really nasty finish. For a guy that isn't all that athletic, he attacks the rim really aggressively.

I also thought Duke just didn't use him right at all. He seems like a perfect guy to play around the free throw line against the zone. They basically relegated him to simply catching and dunking underneath. It was a really strange strategy.

Outside of Plumlee, who barely plays, Duke's tallest player is 6' 9", so they have to play super small ball, and will play Jabari at Center, which is really dumb as he's a SF, but it's what they have to deal with, with only one guy over 6' 9".

[ClutchCity]

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Lance Stephenson??? This kid is a tall, skinny, lanky combo guard. What comparison do you see with Lance? Just wondering.

I'm not sure who I would compare him to. His game looks to be smooth and fluid and he seems to be a very capable playmaker.. I don't like the Penny comparisons, he's not nearly that explosive. He doesn't seem to like trying to finish with his left, but looks to have a decent one dribble pull-up.. Only NBA comparison I can really think of would maybe be MCW?

I can understand drafting him high if you are hoping on him to develop to his full potential.. But honestly if I were a team drafting for a combo guard with good size and wanted immediate production I would feel safer with Zach LaVine. I think he's much more athletic and a better shooter.. And I think he's ready for NBA size and speed.. Exum will probably take a little longer to adjust.. It's tough to pass on the potential though.

What part of Lance Stephenson game doesn't show fluidity? I mean clearly Lance Stephenson is a playmaker who can create his own shot. Im not talking about his size when I make the comparison im speaking in the terms of athleticism, defense, ball handling, and shooting the ball. MCW is doing numbers consistently. I dont think Exum is going to do what MCW doing right now in the aspect of being a number 1 option on offense. He's going to need to make that adjustment to the pace of the game. On top of his jump shot needs work, its pretty much John Wall status his rookie/sophmore year. I can't see him playing at a level of MCW because in a about 2 or 3 years MCW will be known as an elite PG. Exum I just don't see it.

This guy gets too much credibility. As a matter fact I guarantee he'll struggle coming into the league. MCW is just flat out ridiculous. You really think he's going to give you those type of statlines ??? Especially when the guys a potential type of guy. I mean it all depends on who drafts him of course. I dont know I would like to read your thoughts. Only thing I see with the MCW comparison is size and usually when I compare players. I don't make size a large factor because size is really irrelevant in most cases too me. I

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What part of Lance Stephenson game doesn't show fluidity? I mean clearly Lance Stephenson is a playmaker who can create his own shot. Im not talking about his size when I make the comparison im speaking in the terms of athleticism, defense, ball handling, and shooting the ball. MCW is doing numbers consistently. I dont think Exum is going to do what MCW doing right now in the aspect of being a number 1 option on offense. He's going to need to make that adjustment to the pace of the game. On top of his jump shot needs work. I can't see him playing at a level of MCW because in a about 2 or 3 years MCW will be known as an elite PG. Exum I just don't see it.



This guy gets too much credibility. As a matter fact I guarantee he'll struggle coming into the league. MCW is just flat out ridiculous. You really think he's going to give you those type of statlines ??? Especially when the guys a potential type of guy. I mean it all depends on who drafts him of course. I dont know I would like to read your thoughts.

Whaaaaat? Where is this coming from that I somehow said he was going to give MCW stats, play to his level, and instantly be a number 1 option? The point of an NBA comparison isn't to find someone who's stats they will match, it's to find someone who's similar to them in skill set and play style.

Most draft boards have his comparison as Penny Hardaway. Do you think that means they all think he'll come in and be an instant franchise player grabbing Magic and Jordan comparisons?? No, they just see a tall and long scoring guard with similar skills and play style.

All I said was MCW was the closest NBA comparison in my eyes. Meaning their play style is similar, their body's are similar, they play the same position and have some of the same skills. Similar type of athleticism, neither is explosive but they are both long, quick and seem to sneak their way into the lane.

I didn't say Lance didn't have any fluidity to his game? But he's much more aggressive and physical than Exum seems to be. He likes to bull his way to the rim and he likes to try and create his own shots. The way he plays often looks unorthodox rather than smooth and easy. And he's more of a man defender than a lanky guy who tips balls in passing lanes.. Which is what Exum and MCW both do defensively.

I would say he'll be somewhere between Shaun Livingston - MCW.. Don't think he can get his own shot as well as MCW and I don't think he's as good of an on ball defender or passer as Livingston. But that's the only two comparisons I can't think of.

[ClutchCity]

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Whaaaaat? Where is this coming from that I somehow said he was going to give MCW stats, play to his level, and instantly be a number 1 option? The point of an NBA comparison isn't to find someone who's stats they will match, it's to find someone who's similar to them in skill set and play style.

Most draft boards have his comparison as Penny Hardaway. Do you think that means they all think he'll come in and be an instant franchise player grabbing Magic and Jordan comparisons?? No, they just see a tall and long scoring guard with similar skills and play style.

All I said was MCW was the closest NBA comparison in my eyes. Meaning their play style is similar, their body's are similar, they play the same position and have some of the same skills. Similar type of athleticism, neither is explosive but they are both long, quick and seem to sneak their way into the lane.

I didn't say Lance didn't have any fluidity to his game? But he's much more aggressive and physical than Exum seems to be. He likes to bull his way to the rim and he likes to try and create his own shots. The way he plays often looks unorthodox rather than smooth and easy. And he's more of a man defender than a lanky guy who tips balls in passing lanes.. Which is what Exum and MCW both do defensively.

I would say he'll be somewhere between Shaun Livingston - MCW.. Don't think he can get his own shot as well as MCW and I don't think he's as good of an on ball defender or passer as Livingston. But that's the only two comparisons I can't think of.

Ok. When you said MCW. I was thinking you were talking about his numbers mostly. Also sort of how he plays. I still don't think it's a accurate comparison, because of Exum shooting ability. That skill alone really defines my view on why I disagree with a MCW comparison.

Your right Stephenson is a raging bull going to the rack but Exum is also pretty wild going yo the lane. Maybe not as strong, but he can get pretty tough.

[jeebs9]

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I miss the Cuse game smh...

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I was thinking the same thing.

[phenom1990]

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I miss the Cuse game smh...

If you have no problem watching a game in which you already know the result, just go to ESPN3.com to watch the replay.

[kaletore11]

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As someone who personally knows Dario Saric, I can tell you that he's drunk 5 days of the week and a total a-hole. Incredibly talented, our biggest talent since Drazen Petrovic, but his character leaves a lot to be desired.

Just wanted to share this because he's probably going quite high in the draft.