Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

[pietasterp]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

Certainly he's on a good trajectory, although as always, there's the "it's early" caveat. Love what I've seen so far, his challenge will be - how much better can he get, how hard is he willing to work?

[MattUM]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

We he takes the pistons to the finals, then he can compare to Dwight. Dwight is also so much more athletic.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

Drummond is arguably the best in the league at being a glorified trash man.. But Dwight can be a franchise center.. That's the difference to me.

Drummond is a rebound machine though, putting up those numbers despite playing with other good rebounders in the line-up with him.


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[VDusen04]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

We he takes the pistons to the finals, then he can compare to Dwight. Dwight is also so much more athletic.

I think there's numerous reasons as to why Andre Drummond is not, and may never be, as good as Dwight Howard, but I'm never a huge fan of the "when so-and-so takes his team to the finals" theory. Howard held up his end of the bargain on that Magic team (20 & 15) but I think that team's success also had a ton to do with his teammates absolutely raining trey balls that postseason (over 200 connections) with Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, Mickael Pietrus, and J.J. Redick all coming close to hitting at a 40% clip.

Andre's not as good as Dwight, but I'm also not sure what Howard would have done with Andre's supporting cast this year either. Reason #5,231 as to why I do not subscribe to measuring an individual player's worth largely based off of team championships or Finals appearances.

[whoahello]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

He's like a Paul George in his first couple of years in the league. Just chillin', having fun, and learning. Then contract season will be his breakout year. Book it. All star.

[MattUM]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

I think there's numerous reasons as to why Andre Drummond is not, and may never be, as good as Dwight Howard, but I'm never a huge fan of the "when so-and-so takes his team to the finals" theory. Howard held up his end of the bargain on that Magic team (20 & 15) but I think that team's success also had a ton to do with his teammates absolutely raining trey balls that postseason (over 200 connections) with Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, Mickael Pietrus, and J.J. Redick all coming close to hitting at a 40% clip.

Andre's not as good as Dwight, but I'm also not sure what Howard would have done with Andre's supporting cast this year either. Reason #5,231 as to why I do not subscribe to measuring an individual player's worth largely based off of team championships or Finals appearances.

I think certain players have a knack for getting their team to win games when it matters. Dwight didn't get the Magic to the playoffs until his 3rd season, so I'll give Dre a pass for now. But then Dwight got them to the playoffs 6 years in a row. To get to the finals he dropped 40/14 on LBJ's Cavs in game 6. I think it says something when a player fills his stat sheet without getting the W. I can see Dre becoming a victim of the "Kevin Love Syndrome." It's the NBA, everybody on the court is extremely talented and certain players find a way to win games regardless of who is on the court with them.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

Drummond is outstanding at what he does. But regardless of Dwight's weaknesses, an entire offensive system and defensive system was built around him. I don't think Drummond will ever be that guy.


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[cam21224]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

That system relied on three point shooting more than the offensive talents of Dwight.

Defensively I can see Drummond coming close if not matching him, offensively I don't know but that's not something to write home about Dwight neither. He is inconsistent in the post, has no counter move to his go to move which is barely effective.

Drummond can produce the same way, alley oops, put backs, an the occasional back to the basket if he develops any moves.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

That three point shooting was a direct result of teams having to help down on Dwight and Dwight being a good enough passer out of the post to make plays. I just don't think we will ever see Drummond scoring 20+ on 11-12 shots while being capable of exploding for 30 or 40 when teams don't help down.. Not sure we can see Dwight doing that again either, but that was him at his peak.. I don't think Drummond reaches that.

I'm not at all trying to brag on Howard's post moves, we all know they are garbage especially for someone with his talent, but he's a franchise changer probably more so than any big man in the league.. Despite his lacking issues and lack of improvement.

If you want a compliment player, a guy who scores off trash buckets, oops, etc and rebounds like crazy Drummond is your guy. If you want a franchise big man Dwight is your guy.


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[whoahello]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

That three point shooting was a direct result of teams having to help down on Dwight and Dwight being a good enough passer out of the post to make plays. I just don't think we will ever see Drummond scoring 20+ on 11-12 shots while being capable of exploding for 30 or 40 when teams don't help down.. Not sure we can see Dwight doing that again either, but that was him at his peak.. I don't think Drummond reaches that.

I'm not at all trying to brag on Howard's post moves, we all know they are garbage especially for someone with his talent, but he's a franchise changer probably more so than any big man in the league.. Despite his lacking issues and lack of improvement.

If you want a compliment player, a guy who scores off trash buckets, oops, etc and rebounds like crazy Drummond is your guy. If you want a franchise big man Dwight is your guy.


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It's more of a Stan Van Gundy system if you asked me.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

It's more of a Stan Van Gundy system if you asked me.

Well yeah, the Lakers used Phil's system. Shaq was still the main piece.. You can say that same thing about every team/player in the league if you wanted to lol


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[Vni]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

Magic was my least favourite basketball team to watch. What a horrible product.

Gonna be interesting to see what Dwight Howard brings in houston theses playoffs.

[ojandpizza]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

Magic was my least favourite basketball team to watch. What a horrible product.

Gonna be interesting to see what Dwight Howard brings in houston theses playoffs.

Yeah I never really enjoyed watching them. I've never liked Hedo, and Pietrus used to annoy the hell outa me for some reason. That and Jameer Nelson became very overrated, wasn't he an All-Star?


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[VDusen04]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

I think certain players have a knack for getting their team to win games when it matters. Dwight didn't get the Magic to the playoffs until his 3rd season, so I'll give Dre a pass for now. But then Dwight got them to the playoffs 6 years in a row. To get to the finals he dropped 40/14 on LBJ's Cavs in game 6. I think it says something when a player fills his stat sheet without getting the W. I can see Dre becoming a victim of the "Kevin Love Syndrome." It's the NBA, everybody on the court is extremely talented and certain players find a way to win games regardless of who is on the court with them.

I believe certain players have a knack for getting their team to win games when it matters... as long as their team has a certain degree of talent. Dwight Howard was tremendous, even with his shortcomings, but so were his teammates. Van Gundy had a nice system in place that played to his team's strengths, but that's just it, his team had strengths.

I believe Howard playing for the '14 Pistons would not have been a case of, "Well good players just find a way to win." Instead, I think it'd have been more along the lines of, "Welp, they're doubling Dwight and he's making wonderful passes. Unfortunately, Josh Smith is the one standing alone at the three point line ready to fire."

But then again, all that is an aside. At its core, I'm in agreement with all those who believe Andre Drummond is not on Dwight Howard's level right now. And to be honest, though he's an absolute rebounder monster, I'm not sure if he'll be able to match Howard in other regards. I just don't think such skills and comparisons are very dependent and flat victories and Finals appearances.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Andre Drummond, better than Dwight?

That three point shooting was a direct result of teams having to help down on Dwight and Dwight being a good enough passer out of the post to make plays. I just don't think we will ever see Drummond scoring 20+ on 11-12 shots while being capable of exploding for 30 or 40 when teams don't help down.. Not sure we can see Dwight doing that again either, but that was him at his peak.. I don't think Drummond reaches that.

I'm not at all trying to brag on Howard's post moves, we all know they are garbage especially for someone with his talent, but he's a franchise changer probably more so than any big man in the league.. Despite his lacking issues and lack of improvement.

If you want a compliment player, a guy who scores off trash buckets, oops, etc and rebounds like crazy Drummond is your guy. If you want a franchise big man Dwight is your guy.


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It's so hard to really gauge because of schemes and player personnel differences. Drummond had Monroe both years and this year Smith. Howard was essentially given all the space in the world to operate due to scheme and personnel. Howard also didn't have to share the paint with an older more developed post presense in Monroe.

It's one of those things where you can't fault Howard for being in the prefect position, but you really can't fault Drummond either.