2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

[AC]

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Salmons definitely shouldn't return, neither should Fields(but for Fields,it's up to if Ujiri can deal him or not,though he got rid of Bargnani,Gay and Carmelo and all 3 had bigger contracts than Fields), but who exactly replaces them? Battier is someone I see as a UFA who might sign(especially if Lebron doesn't stay in Miami,or Miami just doesn't win title). 4-5M and he'd sign.

No good C options in free agency this offseason. Either Raptors trade for one, or hope a good backup C pops up in the draft.

I don't mind if Fields comes back. The guy is a talented basketball player. He's overpaid but if we need cap space, move Buycks, Stone, Novak, Hayes or Salmons first. Fields is an unfortunately paid, good basketball player.

You don't need to replace Salmons through FA. One of Hood, Stauskas, Anderson, Grant, Warren, Saric, McDermott, LaVine or Robinson III should be there at 20; I'd be shocked if at least one wasn't there. Hopefully we trade up, I'd really like to package our first and NY/DEN's first for a higher pick in the early lottery. But we should be able to replace him, and even if we don't, what exactly are we replacing? Salmons brings exactly nothing to the team. In FA, there's Carter, Crawford, Granger, Battier (he's retiring though I think), Ariza or Butler.

Not to take this thread OT. But Salmons is killing us.

[Majingir]

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Chuck: "Father Time is undefeated"
Shaq: like Chuck said, Father Time is undefeated. Also Lowry has *looks at paper* 10 points, that's not going to be enough
Kenny: the Raptors are like a warm blanket, if you put them over you when you're cold, they'll keep you warm...on the court...

lol, it's funny how much TNT guys bury Raptors(and gave Barkley a hard time when he said Raptors would win series). Basically expected though cause Raptors haven't earned respect of league yet cause they haven't done anything noteworthy, especially when comparing them to the Nets who have a future hall of famer as a coach and 2 players who've won a championship.

Big reason why I hope they win. I don't even care if they lose 4-0 to Heat next round(which is expected more than anything), but at least hopefully they win series vs Nets to gain some respect. Raptors probably have more to gain out of this series win than Nets(assuming both teams would lose to the Heat in 2nd round. Nets stand better chance though if one of these teams went up against Heat)

Not to take this thread OT. But Salmons is killing us.

I'll post rest in Raptors thread then lol

[SPTO]

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Chuck: "Father Time is undefeated"
Shaq: like Chuck said, Father Time is undefeated. Also Lowry has *looks at paper* 10 points, that's not going to be enough
Kenny: the Raptors are like a warm blanket, if you put them over you when you're cold, they'll keep you warm...on the court...

Seems like the only guy on the TNT panel that gives the Raptors even a little bit of respect is Barkley. I saw a clip of him before the playoffs where he heaped some good praise on the team.

Thanks for the info though.

[Majingir]

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Seems like the only guy on the TNT panel that gives the Raptors even a little bit of respect is Barkley. I saw a clip of him before the playoffs where he heaped some good praise on the team.

Thanks for the info though.

Big reason why I want Barkley on Raptors staff(not as coach or anything,just as like an adviser or something,and specifically to help recruit free agents. How big would it be for Raptors if Charles Barkley calls a player to talk up Toronto to them.),but doubt he'd leave a position like he has now to do that.


Moving onto other talk.....tomorrow night is likely the final game in Charlotte Bobcats history. I'll never forget it. Center,Power Forward,Small Forward,Shooting Guard and Point Guard. That was the NBA Live 2004 starting lineup for the Charlotte Bobcats.

[iLLosophy]

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Chuck Hayes, Novak, and Salmons on the floor in the 4th quarter of a must win playoff game?

Really?

Regarding Salmons - you realize Ross is 3/16 so far in this series? So if you want more production out that spot.... that leaves Salmons and that garbage heap of crap whos only on the roster because the raptors tried to get Steve Nash.

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[AC]

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Regarding Salmons - you realize Ross is 3/16 so far in this series? So if you want more production out that spot.... that leaves Salmons and that garbage heap of crap whos only on the roster because the raptors tried to get Steve Nash.

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Ross and Fields are both better options. Ross' defense is far superior and he's liable to wake up at some point, and Fields' defense is better than Salmons' noticeably and has a very good effect on the offense as he increases team play with more passing.

[DIESEL]

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Chuck Hayes, Novak, and Salmons on the floor in the 4th quarter of a must win playoff game?

Really?

Raptors use Novak to space out the floor(since it's obvious as seen in this series that when Raptors have too many guys in a small area,they panic/turn it over), Hayes is just there to give one of JV or Amir(usually JV) some rest, and Salmons is actually good option off bench for the team(the main backup SF for the team too).

Regarding Salmons - you realize Ross is 3/16 so far in this series? So if you want more production out that spot.... that leaves Salmons and that garbage heap of crap whos only on the roster because the raptors tried to get Steve Nash.

I understand in theory why all these guys are playing. And if this game was being played on January 17th I'd have no problem.

But this is the playoffs. It was the 4th quarter of a tied game with the Raptors on the verge of going down 3-1. That's not the time to try and steal some minutes with a scrub lineup.

If my season is on the line, I'd rather go down with a tired/struggling version of my best 5 players. But they won the game, so what do I know? More Chuck Hayes!!!

[iLLosophy]

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In hindsight salmons hasnt been doing anything as a floor spacer either this series. So there goes my logic

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[SteelersFreak]

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Raptors use Novak to space out the floor(since it's obvious as seen in this series that when Raptors have too many guys in a small area,they panic/turn it over), Hayes is just there to give one of JV or Amir(usually JV) some rest, and Salmons is actually good option off bench for the team(the main backup SF for the team too).

But the main goal for Raptors heading into offseason is to find a backup C to replace Hayes(hoping Raptors deal him,cause he doesn't deserve the salary he's getting) and Salmons(Team option,and 7M isn't worth it). Ross was great in regular season,but playoffs showing how far he still needs to go before becoming a real starting SF in the league.

You're kidding yourself if you think the Raptors are going to find a trade partner for John Salmons and Chuck Hayes, lol.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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lol, it's funny how much TNT guys bury Raptors(and gave Barkley a hard time when he said Raptors would win series). Basically expected though cause Raptors haven't earned respect of league yet cause they haven't done anything noteworthy, especially when comparing them to the Nets who have a future hall of famer as a coach and 2 players who've won a championship.

Big reason why I hope they win. I don't even care if they lose 4-0 to Heat next round(which is expected more than anything), but at least hopefully they win series vs Nets to gain some respect. Raptors probably have more to gain out of this series win than Nets(assuming both teams would lose to the Heat in 2nd round. Nets stand better chance though if one of these teams went up against Heat)l

Oh my goodness, man if you don't stop bitching about the Raptors not getting any respect man lol. Who cares if they do or not, it's not like they gain anything from it. You want respect...win some championships.

[SteelersFreak]

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Seriously Raps fans, what do you expect? Your team is almost completely unproven from top to bottom in the playoffs and your team has been a laughing stock for like a decade prior to this year. You aren't gonna get respect because you made the playoffs in one of the worst years the Eastern Conference has ever had.

Just enjoy being the underdog. If you lose, its what people expected and the commentators will stop talking about the Raptors the day after their last loss. And if you win, you get to laugh at the haters.

I think its much easier root for an underappreciated team than the team that everyone expects to win the championship every year.

[skywalkah]

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Man the Raptors fans getting no special treatment lol

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[Majingir]

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Oh my goodness, man if you don't stop bitching about the Raptors not getting any respect man lol. Who cares if they do or not, it's not like they gain anything from it. You want respect...win some championships.

In that post I never said they should. Which is why I said "Basically expected" because it's expected they don't get any respect because they haven't done anything noteworthy. I never said in that post that they should be getting respect. I said they won't/shouldn't be because they haven't done anything, but that's why I really want them to beat the Nets, even if they lose to the Heat in 4 the following round, because at least doing so could gain them some respect.

You're kidding yourself if you think the Raptors are going to find a trade partner for John Salmons and Chuck Hayes, lol.

Salmons isn't getting traded,he has team option which Raptors hopefully just don't pick up. And I could see Hayes being dealt. If Raptors were able to trade Bargnani and end up with a first round pick,two seconds and salary fillers(most of which doesn't even count against them after this season is up), dealing Hayes shouldn't be hard at all.

[SteelersFreak]

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In that post I never said they should. Which is why I said "Basically expected" because it's expected they don't get any respect because they haven't done anything noteworthy. I never said in that post that they should be getting respect. I said they won't/shouldn't be because they haven't done anything, but that's why I really want them to beat the Nets, even if they lose to the Heat in 4 the following round, because at least doing so could gain them some respect.




Salmons isn't getting traded,he has team option which Raptors hopefully just don't pick up. And I could see Hayes being dealt. If Raptors were able to trade Bargnani and end up with a first round pick,two seconds and salary fillers(most of which doesn't even count against them after this season is up), dealing Hayes shouldn't be hard at all.

Bargnani A) still has some value, he's a 7 foot guy that can shoot and B) was traded to the braindead Knicks. Hayes is not a 7 footer that can shoot, he's an undersized center that isn't good for much but rebounding and a "veteran presence". The situations aren't comparable at all.

And I stand corrected on Salmons, can't imagine why he would be in a Raptors uniform next year. Would be surprised to see him in an NBA uniform at all next year.

[Majingir]

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Hayes will be about 6M and Fields about 8.5M. Both obviously bad contracts, but Raptors GM has at least proven he can get rid of big contracts. Those are obviously much harder to move than someone like Bargnani(12M) and Gay(19M), but I wouldn't put it past him to be able to get rid of at least one.