2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

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  • King_B_Mack
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    • Jan 2009
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    #2836
    Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by 23
    King you and I just had a convo about this not long ago. The Bulls don't give off the perception otherwise that they arent.

    Anytime a player of value leaves there with hardly any reason at all being clear that's the first thing it seems like.

    Sure they got Boozer but he's more like a handcuff than anything else and can even be a reason why they say they cant.

    They seemed to twiddle their thumbs for some years before being relevant again pre Joakim and honestly besides Rose.... what the heck was the plan anyway?



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    That's two different convos though for sure. If guys want to argue that the Bulls haven't spent their money wisely, I got no issue with that. But when the narrative for the last twenty years is that the Bulls are cheap/not loyal because of Michael Jordan that's a problem to me.

    First of all people make that argument based on the fact "Jordan wasn't getting paid what he was worth" okay for the majority of his career the salary cap in the NBA was somewhere between 10-12 million dollars. Michael was making like 3-6 million a year. Was he worth more than that? Absolutely but those 6 championships weren't gonna come if we were paying Michael the whole salary cap like a lot of these dudes wanted and would suggest in their pieces over the years. Everybody just hears Michael was under paid and run with it as if we had 60 million dollar salary caps back then. The second we did get caps that high, dude made 30 million dollars a year.

    As for them giving off the perception otherwise, again people just ignore what's in front of them to follow the lead of the narrative incorrectly put out there. They were ready to back the Brinks truck up for McGrady, Duncan, Hill, etc. they passed on them, so they had to settle. They eventually made some moves that got them Gordon, Deng and Hinrich. They had the start of something potentially good. Free agency rolls around again and the stars pass on them, they backed up a dump truck full of money to Ben Wallace's *** who proceeded to not live up to the contract. Which is fine because he shouldn't have been given the money in the first place, but when guys are passing on signing with you I don't know what you're supposed to do at that point. They backed up the truck for Deng with his extension a deal that at the time he got it he certainly didn't earn one that big but they paid him. They paid Hinrich, they paid Boozer eventually, they've paid Rose, Noah got paid, Taj is getting paid, cheap shouldn't be a term used to describe this team. Especially not when the basis of the argument is some **** from over twenty years ago.

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    • ProfessaPackMan
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      • Mar 2008
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      #2837
      Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

      How bout that Jason Kidd, eh? Not a bad job for guy coming straight off the Court.

      Did a helluva job this series, especially in the last 2 games switching out Livingston for Anderson. Fingers are being pointed at Casey, yet where was Terrence Ross at? He was the one that opened his mouth initially and said he "personally wanted Brooklyn". He got wish and he proceeded to not do a damn thing all series long with the exception of that TO he got towards the end of Game 7.
      Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 05-05-2014, 03:01 PM.
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      • SteelersFreak
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        • May 2004
        • 9582

        #2838
        Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        How bout that Jason Kidd, eh? Not a bad job for guy coming straight off the Court.

        Did a helluva job this series, especially in the last 2 games switching out Livingston for Anderson. Fingers are being pointed at Casey, yet where was Terrence Ross at? He was the one that opened his mouth initially and said he "personally wanted Brooklyn". He got wish and he proceeded to not do a damn thing all series long with the exception of that TO he got towards the end of Game 7.
        Did the Nets put anyone on him in particular to try to take him away? Or did they try to focus more of the perimeter defense on DeRozan?

        EDIT: And you're right about Kidd. The people calling for his head early on look really stupid now. Kidd is probably one of the smartest players on the court of all time, no reason he was gonna be a bad coach for longer than a few months. Not to mention all the injuries the Nets were dealing with early on.
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        • Majingir
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          • Apr 2005
          • 47584

          #2839
          Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
          How bout that Jason Kidd, eh? Not a bad job for guy coming straight off the Court.

          Did a helluva job this series, especially in the last 2 games switching out Livingston for Anderson. Fingers are being pointed at Casey, yet where was Terrence Ross at? He was the one that opened his mouth initially and said he "personally wanted Brooklyn". He got wish and he proceeded to not do a damn thing all series long with the exception of that TO he got towards the end of Game 7.
          Ross still has lots to learn. That series showed how much more Ross needs to develop before he's a real starting SF in the league. The 1 thing I hope comes out of the series is that the Raptors go out and get a veteran SF to help Ross out, cause other than DeRozan-Lowry, nobody else on the team really mentoring him, and it'd be nice to have someone who plays the same position who could help him,instead of Salmons,Novak,Fields who won't help him at all.

          Still though, it's just his 2nd season in the league and the closest he had to this level of intensity was his final season in Washington when they made it to the final 4. Other than that, he never had this level of intensity needed to play. Now with the playoffs, hopefully Ross along with rest of team can improve now that they know what playoff ball is like.

          Raptors came into the playoffs with I believe only a few hundred minutes total of playoff experience on their roster? This series alone their roster gained over 1500 minutes of playoff experience as well as 35 games of experience from their starting lineup alone(a starting lineup which could more than likely be around for years to come). So assuming they make it next year, hopefully the whole "experience vs inexperience" stuff either isn't talked about,or if it is, it's the Raptors on the experienced side.
          Last edited by Majingir; 05-05-2014, 03:47 PM.

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          • bigfnjoe96
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2004
            • 11410

            #2840
            Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

            Word is Casey is getting a 2 year extension with option for a 3rd

            Good for him

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            • KG
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              • Sep 2005
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              #2841
              Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

              Hell, my Wizards just won their 1st playoff series since '04-'05 and won the first game in Indy and I (& many other Wiz fans) would still like to see Whitman gone. That "Casey has had the best year ever in Rap's history" holds no water with me. If you can upgrade, you upgrade.
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              • SteelersFreak
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                • May 2004
                • 9582

                #2842
                Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by KG
                Hell, my Wizards just won their 1st playoff series since '04-'05 and won the first game in Indy and I (& many other Wiz fans) would still like to see Whitman gone. That "Casey has had the best year ever in Rap's history" holds no water with me. If you can upgrade, you upgrade.
                I think it would be equally moronic, especially if the Wizards get to the ECF, to fire Wittman.
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                • ProfessaPackMan
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                  • Mar 2008
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                  #2843
                  Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by KG
                  Hell, my Wizards just won their 1st playoff series since '04-'05 and won the first game in Indy and I (& many other Wiz fans) would still like to see Whitman gone. That "Casey has had the best year ever in Rap's history" holds no water with me. If you can upgrade, you upgrade.
                  So who are you upgrading to then?

                  I'd let Ernie go before I would Wittman go personally.
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                  • da ThRONe
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                    • Mar 2009
                    • 8528

                    #2844
                    Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                    I'm OK with fan bases calling for coaches jobs, but it should be based on something legit. By legit I mean having logical flaws with the coaches philosophy and a realistic upgrade at the position. What shouldn't be a factor is one good season or one bad season.
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                    • SteelersFreak
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                      • May 2004
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                      #2845
                      Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by da ThRONe
                      I'm OK with fan bases calling for coaches jobs, but it should be based on something legit. By legit I mean having logical flaws with the coaches philosophy and a realistic upgrade at the position. What shouldn't be a factor is one good season or one bad season.
                      But look at the rosters these guys that we've been talking about had been worried about. Look at the **** Wittman was having to deal with. You could argue this year's Wizards team is really the first team that was even capable of going to the playoffs recently, and I'd say he did a pretty good job with them.

                      Plus, I just don't see any big name coaching talent going to Washington.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
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                        • Mar 2008
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                        #2846
                        2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by da ThRONe
                        I'm OK with fan bases calling for coaches jobs, but it should be based on something legit. By legit I mean having logical flaws with the coaches philosophy and a realistic upgrade at the position. What shouldn't be a factor is one good season or one bad season.
                        Why shouldn't it be?

                        If this was the case, you'd have every team changing coaches like it's nothing. Obviously there are some legit reasons to let someone go that's also dependent on the team, right?
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                        • KG
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                          #2847
                          Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          So who are you upgrading to then?

                          I'd let Ernie go before I would Wittman go personally.
                          The only coaches I'd want would be Doc or Thibs.

                          Ernie has been a better GM in the last few years. Whitman had a good late season surge last year followed by a horrible start to this year followed up by a good midseason only to falter down the reg season stretch. The Team's inconsistencies (which seem to be a thing of the past, knocks on wood) plagued us. We beat Miami and lose to Charlotte, etc...
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