2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

[SteelersFreak]

Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

Casey drew up the play on the wrong side of the court which probably lost the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKitXE3_Rdw

I know some of y'all don't agree, but Casey needs to go.

Seriously dude? The way that play went isn't on Casey. Casey didn't try to go through the whole ****ing Nets defense to score when he had open teammates around him, Lowry did.

[SteelersFreak]

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Because ****ty franchises make changes just to make them. They just had the best season in their history, made it to the playoffs and fought a very, very difficult seven game series that they could have easily won. Clearly the players have bought into something Casey is selling. Firing him now would be stupid and extremely risky for no real reason.

I'm right with you here man. Raptors fans wanna talk about getting an upgrade over Casey, but what if they fire Casey and they can't get that upgrade?

Dunno why Raps fans can't just accept that they got beat in a really tough series, there's always gotta be someone to blame I guess.

[KG]

Re: 2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

Casey drew up the play on the wrong side of the court which probably lost the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKitXE3_Rdw

I know some of y'all don't agree, but Casey needs to go.

I think Ross messed up the play. He should have been in the corner but because he wasn't it allowed for Anderson to cheat with no threat of a drive & kick.


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[JODYE]

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You also don't accomplish anything by "playing it safe".

And let's not forget that Masai Ujiri is running this team now, not Colangelo. I would find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find another option, especially with the guys that are still out there on the market, and the guys that are potentially going to be available come this off-season.

Not saying you make a change just to make it, but you would be dumb not to take a look at the market and assess the situation.

Players get acclimated to new coaches every year. Let's not act like Casey is some kind of cult leader.

[SteelersFreak]

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You also don't accomplish anything by "playing it safe".

And let's not forget that Masai Ujiri is running this team now, not Colangelo. I would find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find another option, especially with the guys that are still out there on the market, and the guys that are potentially going to be available come this off-season.

Not saying you make a change just to make it, but you would be dumb not to take a look at the market and assess the situation.

Players get acclimated to new coaches every year. Let's not act like Casey is some kind of cult leader.

I just think after the dude led the team to the greatest season in franchise history he should get one more ****ing year.

[King_B_Mack]

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Exactly. You'd think they got swept. Nobody is acting like he's a cult leader, that's ridiculous. However if the players are responding to a coach, you run the risk of screwing with their chemistry and pissing them off by unceremoniously firing the guy after they were a Kyle Lowry non pass away from a game 7 win.

[JODYE]

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Lol

Sam Mitchell won coach of the year and lead them to the playoffs and was fired 17 games into the following season.

Just saying, you'd be foolish to not explore the market. Just because your good, doesn't mean you can't get better. If Gregg Popovich was available (insert any great coach here), you're going to pass because guys respond to Duane Casey? Lol okay.

SF, didn't the Mavs just do this very thing not too long ago? Do you want Avery back instead?

Does he deserve another opportunity? Sure, but doesn't mean you can't keep your options open.

[AC]

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I just think after the dude led the team to the greatest season in franchise history he should get one more ****ing year.

He didn't "lead" us to anything. I'm not saying he lost us the series, he didn't, even if that was a pretty bad play call at the end. That was just a move I didn't like. I'm saying that he's not why we had a great season. If you sat through his ridiculous rotations, his Hayes/Salmons infatuations, how he handled Rudy at the beginning of the season, his ridiculous lack of offensive plays and so on, you wouldn't want him back either. He just isn't a good coach. This isn't blaming him for the series or making a change for the hell of it. This is upgrading a spot of need. I strongly disagree that he was the reason that we did so well.

[King_B_Mack]

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Lol

Sam Mitchell won coach of the year and lead them to the playoffs and was fired 17 games into the following season.

Just saying, you'd be foolish to not explore the market. Just because your good, doesn't mean you can't get better. If Gregg Popovich was available (insert any great coach here), you're going to pass because guys respond to Duane Casey? Lol okay.

SF, didn't the Mavs just do this very thing not too long ago? Do you want Avery back instead?

Does he deserve another opportunity? Sure, but doesn't mean you can't keep your options open.

There's a difference between firing somebody 17 games into the following season when the team may look like **** and firing a guy that just got you to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons in that same offseason. I know you know this, but go ahead and play this part I guess.

There's also a difference between a guy that the team has only gotten better under (Casey) and a guy that the team went back and forth on (Mitchell). And there's no Greg Popovich on the market so I don't even know why you're bringing that up. You're better than that man.

[AC]

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Dwane Casey is not the reason the Raptors got into the playoffs.

I'm probably outnumbered here but after watching every game for the last god knows how long including all of Casey's tenure, I'm sticking by that.

[SteelersFreak]

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SF, didn't the Mavs just do this very thing not too long ago? Do you want Avery back instead?

Not really a comparable situation. Avery had 3 and a half years and had lost in the first round back to back years when we let him go.

There's not a Carlisle on the coaching market right now either.

[SteelersFreak]

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Dwane Casey is not the reason the Raptors got into the playoffs.

I'm probably outnumbered here but after watching every game for the last god knows how long including all of Casey's tenure, I'm sticking by that.

No one is saying that he is THE reason the Raptors got into the playoffs. But to sit there and say that because the Raptors lost a tough 7 game series against an incredibly experienced and poised Nets team he should be fired is pretty damn foolish IMO

[JODYE]

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There's a difference between firing somebody 17 games into the following season when the team may look like **** and firing a guy that just got you to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons in that same offseason. I know you know this, but go ahead and play this part I guess.

There's also a difference between a guy that the team has only gotten better under (Casey) and a guy that the team went back and forth on (Mitchell). And there's no Greg Popovich on the market so I don't even know why you're bringing that up. You're better than that man.

I think you may be missing my point. (Ignored my Mavs reference though lol) And the Mitchell argument is still valid, the team was still winning, and the year he was fired, they had a bunch of injuries and they never really gave him a chance.

Again, I'm not arguing that he hasn't at least earned the right to coach the team another year. That's not what I'm saying whatsoever. Hell, I'm not even blaming him for the loss. I just commented on his offensive sets being limited.

However, when there are guys like the Van Gundy's, Lionel Hollins, George Karl (Has a history with Masai), potentially Mark Jackson and Doc Rivers (If what he says about not coaching with Sterling as owner is true), I still think you put the feelers out and see where guys are at. That is all.

There have been plenty of times where coaches weren't given their due. This is nothing new.

Not really a comparable situation. Avery had 3 and a half years and had lost in the first round back to back years when we let him go.

There's not a Carlisle on the coaching market right now either.

It's not? Guy had the highest win percentage in NBA History when he was let go? The situations in their own context are very similar in nature.

[AC]

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No one is saying that he is THE reason the Raptors got into the playoffs. But to sit there and say that because the Raptors lost a tough 7 game series against an incredibly experienced and poised Nets team he should be fired is pretty damn foolish IMO

Absolutely true, I can't fault Casey for this series. HUGE credit for at least recognizing Salmons was fairly effective on Iso Joe, that saved us a lot of points, most likely. It's not fair to judge a coach on a 7 game sample. But from the 82+7 game sample I've seen this year of Coach Casey, I don't want him back.

[King_B_Mack]

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I think you may be missing my point. (Ignored my Mavs reference though lol) And the Mitchell argument is still valid, the team was still winning, and the year he was fired, they had a bunch of injuries and they never really gave him a chance.

Again, I'm not arguing that he hasn't at least earned the right to coach the team another year. That's not what I'm saying whatsoever. Hell, I'm not even blaming him for the loss. I just commented on his offensive sets being limited.

However, when there are guys like the Van Gundy's, Lionel Hollins, George Karl (Has a history with Masai), potentially Mark Jackson and Doc Rivers (If what he says about not coaching with Sterling as owner is true), I still think you put the feelers out and see where guys are at. That is all.

There have been plenty of times where coaches weren't given their due. This is nothing new.

I didn't ignore it doesn't deserve a response for the reasons SF pointed out.

You're missing my point. If you want to go through back channels and put out feelers and all that for some of those guys, cool. But you don't fire a coach after the season Casey just had just because there are other guys on the market you think are better than him because you have no idea if you can get them or not.

And considering how coaches are, if you fire Casey like what these guys are suggesting, that could hurt the Raptors in those guy's eyes. Why the hell would Doc Rivers go to Toronto with the way they just treated Casey? This isn't 2K where you can just fire a computer coach and hire another one with that type of shadiness not playing a factor in the next coach's decision whatsoever.