2014 Eastern Conference Playoffs -1st Round Discussion Thread

[JODYE]

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Well, unfortunately money also talks. Quite fluently. If guys cared that much about shadiness or poor business, the Raptors would have never gotten another coach in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying axe him tomorrow, but you should always keep your options open.

[Majingir]

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The main reason why people are speculating on Caseys future is mostly because he was never brought in by Ujiri. Nobody(or just not that many) people saying Casey is a bad coach, it's just one of those "new management wanting to choose their own coach" type of thing. Ujiri kept Casey on for this season to see how he does, and really if Raptors didn't make playoffs,he'd be gone for sure,but how crazy things ended up makes the decision so much harder. Really seems like a 50-50 decision on keeping him or not,and like I've said, the ONLY reason to get rid of him is if there's someone much better to get. I say that because I really doubt there'll be a name who's a stand out much better choice than Casey,but you never know what can happen in the NBA.

Think of it like this....if Phil Jackson suddenly decided to become a coach again, don't you think even the Miami Heat would consider firing their coach and replace him with Jackson? Maybe not the best comparison, but that's best I can think of in terms of a team who's doing fine under their current coach,but if a substantial upgrade is possible,they should consider it.

[AC]

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Oh, and I could be wrong, but I think Casey's contract is expired. Could be wrong.

[SPTO]

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Oh, and I could be wrong, but I think Casey's contract is expired. Could be wrong.

Yep, the contract is expired.

[King_B_Mack]

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Well, unfortunately money also talks. Quite fluently. If guys cared that much about shadiness or poor business, the Raptors would have never gotten another coach in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying axe him tomorrow, but you should always keep your options open.

Believe that if you want to. The Bulls are still struggling with attracting people to this town because people are holding grudges about the Michael Jordan "treatment."

[Majingir]

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Believe that if you want to. The Bulls are still struggling with attracting people to this town because people are holding grudges about the Michael Jordan "treatment."

I never noticed any struggles with Bulls attracting people. Wasn't Chicago even one of the top destinations for Lebron a few years ago? And even this season seems like they'll be one of the main teams rumored for Lebron or Carmelo

[SPTO]

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I never noticed any struggles with Bulls attracting people. Wasn't Chicago even one of the top destinations for Lebron a few years ago? And even this season seems like they'll be one of the main teams rumored for Lebron or Carmelo

There was a period of time after Jordan left for the last time that the Bulls couldn't attract flies. I'm not sure how long that was but if memory serves it was something like 4 years at the very least.

[Majingir]

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But still,it's different. Treatment of the best player in the league is much different over treatment of a coach. And it's not like if Casey left, it's cause Raptors fired him in the middle of a great season, or a month or so after winning coach of the year. If they replace him with some guy who's never(or just rarely) been a head coach in NBA, it'd obviously be real stupid decision, but don't get how people will be mad if they replace him with a well known/respected coach around the league(which like I said,is highly unlikely scenario of happening,which is why I don't see Casey leaving)

[JODYE]

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Believe that if you want to. The Bulls are still struggling with attracting people to this town because people are holding grudges about the Michael Jordan "treatment."

King, no they aren't. That was damn near 15 years ago and Krause has been long gone.

Plus the league is different now if you haven't noticed.

[King_B_Mack]

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During the summer of LeBron that was one of the things to come out of Dwyane Wade's mouth. About the Bulls not being loyal because of the whole Michael Jordan thing. To this day, people STILL call the Bulls cheap. Jeff Van Gundy was on the radio about a month or so ago calling the Bulls cheap stemming from the Michael Jordan stuff. Trust me, that label hasn't gone anywhere.

[JODYE]

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During the summer of LeBron that was one of the things to come out of Dwyane Wade's mouth. About the Bulls not being loyal because of the whole Michael Jordan thing. To this day, people STILL call the Bulls cheap. Jeff Van Gundy was on the radio about a month or so ago calling the Bulls cheap stemming from the Michael Jordan stuff. Trust me, that label hasn't gone anywhere.

I would also like to believe that that was just a ploy seeing we've already uncovered the truth behind that whole 2010 spectacle. Wade's decision was made long before that. Along with LeBron's.

[King_B_Mack]

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I would also like to believe that that was just a ploy seeing we've already uncovered the truth behind that whole 2010 spectacle. Wade's decision was made long before that. Along with LeBron's.

I would too, but there are entirely too many people that I've heard/seen still harping on this "Bulls are cheap/not loyal" nonsense for a long time and it sprang back up in the wake of the Luol Deng trade. Like I said, that label hasn't gone anywhere.

[Majingir]

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I would also like to believe that that was just a ploy seeing we've already uncovered the truth behind that whole 2010 spectacle. Wade's decision was made long before that. Along with LeBron's.

Exactly. Look at Chris Bosh in Toronto, he came back after the all star break a whole different player. Seems like the break is when they decided they'd play together. They'd all have to take paycuts, and best city to do that in would be Miami.

[23]

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King you and I just had a convo about this not long ago. The Bulls don't give off the perception otherwise that they arent.

Anytime a player of value leaves there with hardly any reason at all being clear that's the first thing it seems like.

Sure they got Boozer but he's more like a handcuff than anything else and can even be a reason why they say they cant.

They seemed to twiddle their thumbs for some years before being relevant again pre Joakim and honestly besides Rose.... what the heck was the plan anyway?



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[SteelersFreak]

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It's not? Guy had the highest win percentage in NBA History when he was let go? The situations in their own context are very similar in nature.

No, it's not. For one thing, Avery inherited a pretty damn good roster. You'll never hear me not give him credit for the defensive minded changes he brought to the Mavs, that was absolutely huge, but the fact is, the Mavs lost the series in 2007 when they had the best record in the league and then they lost in the first round again the next year. It's not like the Mavs were perennial bottom dwellers in years prior like the Raptors had been prior to Casey, they were one of the best teams in the league and Avery was expected to take them to the next level. Losing the Finals and then losing in the first round twice in a row wasn't the next level.