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  • redsrule
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    • Apr 2010
    • 9396

    #691
    Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by wwharton
    Says the guy who ranks a "healthy" Rondo #2 overall.
    What's wrong with that? Rondo is as good as anybody when healthy.
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    • King_B_Mack
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      • Jan 2009
      • 24450

      #692
      Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by redsrule
      What's wrong with that? Rondo is as good as anybody when healthy.
      Offensively? That's a lie.

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      • redsrule
        All Star
        • Apr 2010
        • 9396

        #693
        Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
        Offensively? That's a lie.
        I was talking about overall, not just offensively. Obviously a bunch of guys are better than he is offensively.
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        • Caveman24
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          • Jul 2011
          • 1352

          #694
          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

          Originally posted by wwharton
          Says the guy who ranks a "healthy" Rondo #2 overall.
          #2 PG or player?
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          • King_B_Mack
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            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #695
            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

            Originally posted by redsrule
            I was talking about overall, not just offensively. Obviously a bunch of guys are better than he is offensively.
            Gotcha, still wouldn't put him as the number 1 or 2 PG in the league though.

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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #696
              Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

              I just don't agree with Kyrie only being labeled as a good scoring guard rather than all around player. If you say being a good all around player is 50% defense, 50% scoring then maybe that makes a little sense. But there are plenty of things Kyrie does that a point guard should do that makes him better than just a "score only" guard. And knocking him back behind 10-15 other guards because his defense isn't great isn't all that fair either. Especially since guys like Curry and Lillard aren't much, if any, better in that regard.

              Kyrie is about as good of a ball handler as there is in the league, which is primarily the number 1 responsibility for your guard.. Not ball handler in a sense of killer crossover like Crawford, or in the sense of using it to create a shot whenever he wants like Curry (though he's good at both of those as well), but in terms of controlling the ball and using it to navigate through a defense.

              A lot of the guys people are mentioning the majority of those guys cannot break apart a defense the way Kyrie can. He doesn't just explode past everyone like Russ or Rose, but he can dribble circles through defenders without every being in jeopardy of turning the ball over or being forced into a risky pass.. To me, he's comparable to Tony Parker and Chris Paul in that area of his game. I feel he's just as comfortable dribbling amongst 5 people in and out of the lane as he is up top standing alone. Too bad that in Cleveland he doesn't have many options for him to kick to.. But hypothetically, if he develops a deadly midrange game that Parker has what really separates the two of them? To me how well your guard can compromise a defense is just as important as their scoring or their defense.

              Also, Kyrie obviously showed some regression this season.. But it's tough for me to be too rough on him, especially in his "bad year" his numbers are still comparable to all these guards who are being ranked better than he. It's not surprise he doesn't show as much improvement this season as originally expected when none other than Mike Brown was hired as a coach. With him we saw regression from Jarrett Jack, Gee, Varejao, Zeller, no improvement from Waiters rookie year, none from Thompson in what looked like was going to be a breakout year for him before the season started, no output at all from the number one draft pick, just a horrible situation for everyone on the team.

              I'll give a fantasy comparison, simply because being in a fantasy league I could see these players overall values rise and fall throughout the year. Kyrie had a rough start to the season. His stock fell, he was being traded in most leagues and even dropped in shallow leagues. But towards the end of the year, after Cleveland acquired Deng, Hawes, and Varejao was healthy enough to play consistent, Kyrie was back up to giving 1st round value again. Which makes me believe he would flourish in a better system amongst better offensive teammates..

              I don't feel he's a "chucker".. I felt from day one he was a great combination of scoring and playmaking. I felt he showed he was that in college as well. But for the first half of this season, yes he looked to have chucker-like play.. Hmmm a great scorer under Mike Brown develops chucker tendencies, who would have guessed that. Mike Brown offense is worse than Scott Brooks offense. But then again, even when Kyrie has taken bad or questionable shots.. What's the alternative? Swing to Waiters or Gee for an equally bad shot from a far worse scorer? You gotta pick your poison, and Kyrie is in a position currently where the tough shots fall to him.

              It just seems a little harsh to me that after watching his first two years people had huge expectations for him, expecting him to be the next great guard. He was valued as a top 10 fantasy pick to start the season, with breakout numbers being expected from him. He shows slight regression under Mike ****ing Brown and now people throw 10 guards ahead of him. That's where I don't agree.


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              • OSUFan_88
                Outback Jesus
                • Jul 2004
                • 25642

                #697
                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                Cavs are going to interview Mark Price for their job tomorrow.

                Which would be awesome if they hired him.
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                • ProfessaPackMan
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                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #698
                  Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                  OJ, there's a few issues that I have with your post(which was well written BTW)but I point those out after Raw goes off lol.
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                  • turty11
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                    • Apr 2013
                    • 8923

                    #699
                    Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                    when you criticize me or poke a joke @ something i said make sure you know what i said....

                    i NEVER called rondo the 2nd best offensive pg lol...thats just stupid
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                    • volstopfan14
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                      • Jul 2010
                      • 2307

                      #700
                      Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                      Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                      Cavs are going to interview Mark Price for their job tomorrow.

                      Which would be awesome if they hired him.
                      I really hope he stays in Charlotte. Price is critical to MKG's development.

                      It seems like a stretch to go from a guy who isn't even on the bench to a head coach. But I guess not so much when guys with no coaching experience period are getting hired.
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                      • Majingir
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 47628

                        #701
                        Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                        Part of me really wants Lebron to stay in Miami now, mostly cause I just got a jersey of his for real cheap(well over half off). A store was selling his jersey for real cheap cause they believe he's leaving Miami so want to get rid of it now before he leaves.

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                        • Caveman24
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                          • Jul 2011
                          • 1352

                          #702
                          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                          Can the OS basketball section just get a X vs Y section already
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                          • SteelersFreak
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                            • May 2004
                            • 9582

                            #703
                            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                            Originally posted by volstopfan14
                            I really hope he stays in Charlotte. Price is critical to MKG's development.

                            It seems like a stretch to go from a guy who isn't even on the bench to a head coach. But I guess not so much when guys with no coaching experience period are getting hired.
                            I'm not really sure Price is the right answer for MKG. Watched a video yesterday on MKG's shot and it also looked at what Price is teaching him. Price actually said that he sees a lot of issues with MKG's lower body in his shot, which makes no sense because that's probably the one part of his shot that is correct. He's also a proponent of standing squared up to the basket as opposed to the common angled feet we see today which makes it much easier for the shooter to line up his elbow with the basket, which is something that Price did when he was playing but is now saying that MKG shouldn't do that.

                            Basically, just because he was a great shooter doesn't mean he's a great shooting coach.
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                            • turty11
                              All Star
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 8923

                              #704
                              Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                              apparently the kings are dangling their #8 pick to try and get schroeder from atlanta or knight from mil

                              -also bulls are looking @ trading up to around 11th for stauskas/harris
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                              • volstopfan14
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 2307

                                #705
                                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                                Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                                I'm not really sure Price is the right answer for MKG. Watched a video yesterday on MKG's shot and it also looked at what Price is teaching him. Price actually said that he sees a lot of issues with MKG's lower body in his shot, which makes no sense because that's probably the one part of his shot that is correct. He's also a proponent of standing squared up to the basket as opposed to the common angled feet we see today which makes it much easier for the shooter to line up his elbow with the basket, which is something that Price did when he was playing but is now saying that MKG shouldn't do that.

                                Basically, just because he was a great shooter doesn't mean he's a great shooting coach.
                                You may be right. I felt like MKG was headed the right direction before his left hand injury and that really set him back. I also felt like consistency in the teacher would be for the best. But who knows. Having someone else teaching him could ultimately be for the best.
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