Joe Dumars: Basketball Mind

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I think people picking the Grant Hill trade are wrong. While it was a good move, becuase Hill was leaving either way, you can't judge Grant Hill by the player he is now but by the player he was then. He was a completely dominant player, it wasn't like Dumars foresaw his injury problems.

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BUT, did you expect Chucky and Ben to become such great players?

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EWRMETS said:
I think people picking the Grant Hill trade are wrong. While it was a good move, becuase Hill was leaving either way, you can't judge Grant Hill by the player he is now but by the player he was then. He was a completely dominant player, it wasn't like Dumars foresaw his injury problems.

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Hill was already hurt.

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EWRMETS said:
I think people picking the Grant Hill trade are wrong. While it was a good move, becuase Hill was leaving either way, you can't judge Grant Hill by the player he is now but by the player he was then. He was a completely dominant player, it wasn't like Dumars foresaw his injury problems.

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Hill was already hurt.

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EWRMETS said:
I think people picking the Grant Hill trade are wrong. While it was a good move, becuase Hill was leaving either way, you can't judge Grant Hill by the player he is now but by the player he was then. He was a completely dominant player, it wasn't like Dumars foresaw his injury problems.

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Hill was already hurt.

[EWRMETS]

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You're telling me Hill had the same foot problem he has now when he was traded to Orlando?

[EWRMETS]

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You're telling me Hill had the same foot problem he has now when he was traded to Orlando?

[EWRMETS]

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You're telling me Hill had the same foot problem he has now when he was traded to Orlando?

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[jacobaaron]

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I have been a fan of the Pistons for as long as I've been a fan of the game, 19 years. But to be honest, I think people give Dumars way too much credit for this team's success. I mean, if anyone should get a ring for this year in the front office, it should be Danny Ainge. He basically took on a contract, in order to help you guys out with the Rasheed deal. That seems odd, no matter how you look at it. What would have been his incentive to do that with a team in the same conference? Also, Dumars lucked out by having the 2nd pick in the draft this past year fall in his lap. Did he do anything to get the pick such as trading for it? No, the previous GM did. Basically everyone knew that Grant had decided to leave, and both he and Dumars agreed to the sign and trade because it had been speculated that Wallace was coming to Detroit anyway, and Dumars wanted to help Hill get his money. To me, all of the deals seem to be more of a lucky streak than Joe Dumars doing a wonderful job. I understand there are several pistons fans here, but it's time to jump off his sack and remember that he did not make most of those deals happen alone.

So, in short, the obvious choice is hiring Larry Brown, for the quick fix. Lord knows, he won't be there for more than 6 years. The true test for Dumars will be in the next couple of years. Will he be able to keep Rasheed and Mehmet Okur? Will he be able to keep Larry Brown interested after they win the championship; assuming they do win it. What kind of depth will the team have next season? All of these questions are still up in the air.

[jacobaaron]

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I have been a fan of the Pistons for as long as I've been a fan of the game, 19 years. But to be honest, I think people give Dumars way too much credit for this team's success. I mean, if anyone should get a ring for this year in the front office, it should be Danny Ainge. He basically took on a contract, in order to help you guys out with the Rasheed deal. That seems odd, no matter how you look at it. What would have been his incentive to do that with a team in the same conference? Also, Dumars lucked out by having the 2nd pick in the draft this past year fall in his lap. Did he do anything to get the pick such as trading for it? No, the previous GM did. Basically everyone knew that Grant had decided to leave, and both he and Dumars agreed to the sign and trade because it had been speculated that Wallace was coming to Detroit anyway, and Dumars wanted to help Hill get his money. To me, all of the deals seem to be more of a lucky streak than Joe Dumars doing a wonderful job. I understand there are several pistons fans here, but it's time to jump off his sack and remember that he did not make most of those deals happen alone.

So, in short, the obvious choice is hiring Larry Brown, for the quick fix. Lord knows, he won't be there for more than 6 years. The true test for Dumars will be in the next couple of years. Will he be able to keep Rasheed and Mehmet Okur? Will he be able to keep Larry Brown interested after they win the championship; assuming they do win it. What kind of depth will the team have next season? All of these questions are still up in the air.

[jacobaaron]

Re: Joe Dumars: Basketball Mind

I have been a fan of the Pistons for as long as I've been a fan of the game, 19 years. But to be honest, I think people give Dumars way too much credit for this team's success. I mean, if anyone should get a ring for this year in the front office, it should be Danny Ainge. He basically took on a contract, in order to help you guys out with the Rasheed deal. That seems odd, no matter how you look at it. What would have been his incentive to do that with a team in the same conference? Also, Dumars lucked out by having the 2nd pick in the draft this past year fall in his lap. Did he do anything to get the pick such as trading for it? No, the previous GM did. Basically everyone knew that Grant had decided to leave, and both he and Dumars agreed to the sign and trade because it had been speculated that Wallace was coming to Detroit anyway, and Dumars wanted to help Hill get his money. To me, all of the deals seem to be more of a lucky streak than Joe Dumars doing a wonderful job. I understand there are several pistons fans here, but it's time to jump off his sack and remember that he did not make most of those deals happen alone.

So, in short, the obvious choice is hiring Larry Brown, for the quick fix. Lord knows, he won't be there for more than 6 years. The true test for Dumars will be in the next couple of years. Will he be able to keep Rasheed and Mehmet Okur? Will he be able to keep Larry Brown interested after they win the championship; assuming they do win it. What kind of depth will the team have next season? All of these questions are still up in the air.

[OneBadMutha]

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So many great moves there but I went with the obvious one which was getting Ben Wallace for Grant Hill. Losing Grant Hill really wasn't Dumars choice but using the cap space to entice Ben Wallace and then force a sign a trade was all Joe. I remember at the time listening to some media people on the radio saying how stupid it was for Dumars to waste all that free cap money from losing Grant Hill on Ben Wallace. A lot of media people thought that Detroit should've pulled a tank job and saved their cap money and hoped for a top 3 pick instead. Wallace was the heart and soul of the team when it sucked and is the only remaining remember from Detroit's first year without Hill. Without Wallace Detroit wouldn't have been good enough to entice the likes of Chauncy or Larry Brown.

[OneBadMutha]

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So many great moves there but I went with the obvious one which was getting Ben Wallace for Grant Hill. Losing Grant Hill really wasn't Dumars choice but using the cap space to entice Ben Wallace and then force a sign a trade was all Joe. I remember at the time listening to some media people on the radio saying how stupid it was for Dumars to waste all that free cap money from losing Grant Hill on Ben Wallace. A lot of media people thought that Detroit should've pulled a tank job and saved their cap money and hoped for a top 3 pick instead. Wallace was the heart and soul of the team when it sucked and is the only remaining remember from Detroit's first year without Hill. Without Wallace Detroit wouldn't have been good enough to entice the likes of Chauncy or Larry Brown.