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  • ndeezlo
    Fum police
    • Jul 2002
    • 3272
    #46
    Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

    Boozer didn't do anything wrong. If the Cavs picked up his option he becomes an unrestricted FA next year. The Cavs let him out of his contract because they felt they could re-sign to a lengthy deal by just matching a contract. They obviously underestimated what teams would be willing to give Boozer.

    If Boozer doesn't like Cleveland how is gonna feel about Utah, isn't every player on that team Foreign or white? ITS A JOKE GUYS RELAX.
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      • brahmagoul
        MVP
        • Jun 2003
        • 1860
        #47
        Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

        Yes, for the full 82 games of the 2003-04 season, the Utah Jazz were a better team than the Cleveland Cavaliers. They played in a superior conference, and fluke or no fluke, the Jazz won games. Jerry Sloan did one of the greatest coaching jobs ever because Utah sure didn't have the talent to win as much as it did.
        But let's not forget these things:
        Let's not forget LeBron James was a rookie -- the best rookie season in NBA history for a player straight out of high school.
        Let's not forget the Cavaliers went from 17-65 to 35-47. Did you expect more? Is it not realistic to expect even more improvement?
        And let's not forget the Cavaliers had basically three different teams throughout the season. We saw the flashy team with James and Ricky Davis that didn't win much. After the trade of Davis, the team improved with better defense.
        But once the Cavaliers acquired Jeff McInnis, their team was solidified. With McInnis in the lineup, the Cavaliers had one of the best records in the league until he got hurt. Only the Lakers were better from mid January to early April.
        Yes, the Utah Jazz were better than the Cleveland Cavaliers throughout the 2003-04 season. But it's the 2004-05 season that's coming up. Utah won't sneak by anymore and Cleveland is only getting better.
        After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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          • brahmagoul
            MVP
            • Jun 2003
            • 1860
            #48
            Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

            Yes, for the full 82 games of the 2003-04 season, the Utah Jazz were a better team than the Cleveland Cavaliers. They played in a superior conference, and fluke or no fluke, the Jazz won games. Jerry Sloan did one of the greatest coaching jobs ever because Utah sure didn't have the talent to win as much as it did.
            But let's not forget these things:
            Let's not forget LeBron James was a rookie -- the best rookie season in NBA history for a player straight out of high school.
            Let's not forget the Cavaliers went from 17-65 to 35-47. Did you expect more? Is it not realistic to expect even more improvement?
            And let's not forget the Cavaliers had basically three different teams throughout the season. We saw the flashy team with James and Ricky Davis that didn't win much. After the trade of Davis, the team improved with better defense.
            But once the Cavaliers acquired Jeff McInnis, their team was solidified. With McInnis in the lineup, the Cavaliers had one of the best records in the league until he got hurt. Only the Lakers were better from mid January to early April.
            Yes, the Utah Jazz were better than the Cleveland Cavaliers throughout the 2003-04 season. But it's the 2004-05 season that's coming up. Utah won't sneak by anymore and Cleveland is only getting better.
            After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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              • brahmagoul
                MVP
                • Jun 2003
                • 1860
                #49
                Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                Yes, for the full 82 games of the 2003-04 season, the Utah Jazz were a better team than the Cleveland Cavaliers. They played in a superior conference, and fluke or no fluke, the Jazz won games. Jerry Sloan did one of the greatest coaching jobs ever because Utah sure didn't have the talent to win as much as it did.
                But let's not forget these things:
                Let's not forget LeBron James was a rookie -- the best rookie season in NBA history for a player straight out of high school.
                Let's not forget the Cavaliers went from 17-65 to 35-47. Did you expect more? Is it not realistic to expect even more improvement?
                And let's not forget the Cavaliers had basically three different teams throughout the season. We saw the flashy team with James and Ricky Davis that didn't win much. After the trade of Davis, the team improved with better defense.
                But once the Cavaliers acquired Jeff McInnis, their team was solidified. With McInnis in the lineup, the Cavaliers had one of the best records in the league until he got hurt. Only the Lakers were better from mid January to early April.
                Yes, the Utah Jazz were better than the Cleveland Cavaliers throughout the 2003-04 season. But it's the 2004-05 season that's coming up. Utah won't sneak by anymore and Cleveland is only getting better.
                After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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                  • J0nnD0ugh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 16602
                    #50
                    Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    ndeezlo said:
                    Boozer didn't do anything wrong. If the Cavs picked up his option he becomes an unrestricted FA next year. The Cavs let him out of his contract because they felt they could re-sign to a lengthy deal by just matching a contract. They obviously underestimated what teams would be willing to give Boozer.

                    If Boozer doesn't like Cleveland how is gonna feel about Utah, isn't every player on that team Foreign or white? ITS A JOKE GUYS RELAX.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Cleveland let him out of his contract because Boozer said he would sign. He gave his word. Carlos has shown himself to be a liar &amp; is untrustworthy. I can see why Cleveland would still want him, but personally I'd let the snake leave &amp; just take my loss. And if I were the Olympic basketball team, I'd dump him too. Who'd want someone like this representing their country.

                    Carlos should sign because his rep has seriously taken a massive hit. Even agents are angered by Loozer's actions. His agent has reportedly resigned over this. I mean, if an AGENT thinks you've crossed the line, that should open your eyes.
                    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                    -August 17, 1960
                    Thanks, dookies!

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                      • J0nnD0ugh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 16602
                        #51
                        Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        ndeezlo said:
                        Boozer didn't do anything wrong. If the Cavs picked up his option he becomes an unrestricted FA next year. The Cavs let him out of his contract because they felt they could re-sign to a lengthy deal by just matching a contract. They obviously underestimated what teams would be willing to give Boozer.

                        If Boozer doesn't like Cleveland how is gonna feel about Utah, isn't every player on that team Foreign or white? ITS A JOKE GUYS RELAX.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Cleveland let him out of his contract because Boozer said he would sign. He gave his word. Carlos has shown himself to be a liar &amp; is untrustworthy. I can see why Cleveland would still want him, but personally I'd let the snake leave &amp; just take my loss. And if I were the Olympic basketball team, I'd dump him too. Who'd want someone like this representing their country.

                        Carlos should sign because his rep has seriously taken a massive hit. Even agents are angered by Loozer's actions. His agent has reportedly resigned over this. I mean, if an AGENT thinks you've crossed the line, that should open your eyes.
                        Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                        I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                        -August 17, 1960
                        Thanks, dookies!

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                          • J0nnD0ugh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 16602
                            #52
                            Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            ndeezlo said:
                            Boozer didn't do anything wrong. If the Cavs picked up his option he becomes an unrestricted FA next year. The Cavs let him out of his contract because they felt they could re-sign to a lengthy deal by just matching a contract. They obviously underestimated what teams would be willing to give Boozer.

                            If Boozer doesn't like Cleveland how is gonna feel about Utah, isn't every player on that team Foreign or white? ITS A JOKE GUYS RELAX.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Cleveland let him out of his contract because Boozer said he would sign. He gave his word. Carlos has shown himself to be a liar &amp; is untrustworthy. I can see why Cleveland would still want him, but personally I'd let the snake leave &amp; just take my loss. And if I were the Olympic basketball team, I'd dump him too. Who'd want someone like this representing their country.

                            Carlos should sign because his rep has seriously taken a massive hit. Even agents are angered by Loozer's actions. His agent has reportedly resigned over this. I mean, if an AGENT thinks you've crossed the line, that should open your eyes.
                            Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                            I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                            -August 17, 1960
                            Thanks, dookies!

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                              • brahmagoul
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 1860
                                #53
                                Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.
                                After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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                                  • brahmagoul
                                    MVP
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 1860
                                    #54
                                    Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                    Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.
                                    After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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                                      • brahmagoul
                                        MVP
                                        • Jun 2003
                                        • 1860
                                        #55
                                        Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                        Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.
                                        After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!

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                                          • J0nnD0ugh
                                            Hall Of Fame
                                            • Feb 2003
                                            • 16602
                                            #56
                                            Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                            brahmagoul said:
                                            Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.

                                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                            How? If he resigned, he doesn't still get a cut.
                                            Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                                            I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                                            -August 17, 1960
                                            Thanks, dookies!

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                                              • J0nnD0ugh
                                                Hall Of Fame
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 16602
                                                #57
                                                Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                                brahmagoul said:
                                                Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.

                                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                                How? If he resigned, he doesn't still get a cut.
                                                Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                                                I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                                                -August 17, 1960
                                                Thanks, dookies!

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                                                  • J0nnD0ugh
                                                    Hall Of Fame
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 16602
                                                    #58
                                                    Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                                    brahmagoul said:
                                                    Well, Rob Pelinka likely resigned because this is all his doing. He was the one who took the Jazz's call and probably pushed for Boozer to go with the deal. Either way, Boozer's going to get paid. But it's Pelinka who really benefits from Boozer taking the Utah deal.

                                                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                                    How? If he resigned, he doesn't still get a cut.
                                                    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                                                    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                                                    -August 17, 1960
                                                    Thanks, dookies!

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                                                      • HMcCoy
                                                        All Star
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 8212
                                                        #59
                                                        Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                                        ^
                                                        Yeah, they have forfeit their 2.7 mill cut. That says alot that they would basically pay close to 3 million bucks to distance themselves from Boozer and his actions. Whoa.


                                                        And to address Jazz vs. Cavs.... The Cavs played close to .800 ball after the McInnis trade(with him in the lineup)which was a nice 2.5 month stretch, so I think the basic perception of the team is that if those 12 were in place for the entire season, the Cavs would have easily been a major player in the East, with around 48-50 wins. Problem is that elite teams lose key players and still find ways to win, and when McInnis got hurt, the Cavs fell completely apart. If they're THAT fragile, they're not quite ready yet.

                                                        The Jazz on the other hand played fairly consistently all season in a tougher conference without their 2nd best player, so I gotta go with the Jazz as being better LAST season.

                                                        This year if Wagner can stay healthy and justify his lottery pick status, Luke Jackson is able to step in and contribute, and Booze re-signs...Its Cavs, hands down. I'm not completely sold on Arroyo, Memo or Harpring as anything but fringe role-players. We'll see.
                                                        Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                                                          • HMcCoy
                                                            All Star
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 8212
                                                            #60
                                                            Re: Cavaliers willing to forgive...

                                                            ^
                                                            Yeah, they have forfeit their 2.7 mill cut. That says alot that they would basically pay close to 3 million bucks to distance themselves from Boozer and his actions. Whoa.


                                                            And to address Jazz vs. Cavs.... The Cavs played close to .800 ball after the McInnis trade(with him in the lineup)which was a nice 2.5 month stretch, so I think the basic perception of the team is that if those 12 were in place for the entire season, the Cavs would have easily been a major player in the East, with around 48-50 wins. Problem is that elite teams lose key players and still find ways to win, and when McInnis got hurt, the Cavs fell completely apart. If they're THAT fragile, they're not quite ready yet.

                                                            The Jazz on the other hand played fairly consistently all season in a tougher conference without their 2nd best player, so I gotta go with the Jazz as being better LAST season.

                                                            This year if Wagner can stay healthy and justify his lottery pick status, Luke Jackson is able to step in and contribute, and Booze re-signs...Its Cavs, hands down. I'm not completely sold on Arroyo, Memo or Harpring as anything but fringe role-players. We'll see.
                                                            Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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