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  • OkayC
    MVP
    • Apr 2013
    • 1928

    #226
    Re: MVP of the season so far?

    Originally posted by Streets
    How's that not comparable to Harden who also lost his defensive anchor in Howard and has McHale as a coach (who really doesn't call plays aside from iso Harden)?

    Harden carried his team to the #2 seed and division title in the toughest division in the league.

    Last year Durant carried his team to the #2 seed and division title as well.

    This year despite some AMAZING numbers WB wasn't able to carry his team to the playoffs.

    It's still sick to think OKC could have had all three.
    Im not comparing russ to harden, im just saying that russ' stats arent empty
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    • wwharton
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2002
      • 26949

      #227
      Re: MVP of the season so far?

      Originally posted by OkayC
      Im not comparing russ to harden, im just saying that russ' stats arent empty
      And I agree. RW shouldn't win MVP but just looking at his FG% doesn't mean his stats were empty. While he was busy winning the scoring title, he was also putting up triple doubles at an alarming rate. And if he didn't have his own injuries to get over, the team probably would've been in the playoffs despite losing KD and Ibaka. Russ did work this year, just not enough to be MVP.

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      • GSW
        Simnation
        • Feb 2003
        • 8041

        #228
        Re: MVP of the season so far?

        I havent really chimed in to this thread and I wanted to.

        IMO i think James Harden should win the MVP although I think Steph should as well (my obvious bias)

        James Harden literally carried the Rockets on his back all season and that's what MVP's do. Steph carried us at times as well and we wouldn't be near as good without him... but at the end of the day its MOST valuable...and Harden is clearly more valuable to his team.

        All that being said...sure would be nice to have an MVP in Oakland...hell I'll even take a Co-MVP.

        Side note: Sam Presti is a genius... good lord... KD, Russel and James? Three solid MVP caliber picks...talk about hitting the jackpot.
        #Simnation

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        • Tomba
          TOMBA IS ONLINE
          • Sep 2006
          • 8908

          #229
          Re: MVP of the season so far?

          Harden should win...His efforts this year ECHO Jordans when Jordan was the go to player on that team for a while pre Pippen say...plus just watchiing what Harden will do next is exciting. closest thing to Jordan or kobe we've seen in a while minus irving echoing iverson this year

          Currys great but no leader

          Westbrooks great and fearless but no leader

          James? hes won it too many times but he undeniably the best in the game
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          • lilteapot
            MVP
            • Aug 2013
            • 4550

            #230
            Re: MVP of the season so far?

            Originally posted by Tomba
            Harden should win...His efforts this year ECHO Jordans when Jordan was the go to player on that team for a while pre Pippen say...plus just watchiing what Harden will do next is exciting. closest thing to Jordan or kobe we've seen in a while minus irving echoing iverson this year

            Currys great but no leader

            Westbrooks great and fearless but no leader

            James? hes won it too many times but he undeniably the best in the game
            What would you say the criteria is for being a leader?

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            • kac
              Pro
              • Feb 2003
              • 530

              #231
              Re: MVP of the season so far?

              One thing I will say were ever LeBron goes his team wins and the team he leaves does not make the playoffs.

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              • wwharton
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #232
                Re: MVP of the season so far?

                Originally posted by kac
                One thing I will say were ever LeBron goes his team wins and the team he leaves does not make the playoffs.
                James is the most gifted player in the game and there really is no argument. But because of that he also costs a lot of money and tends to have other players wanting to get on a team with him (or off a team without him), so it'd be foolish to think that in either case, the teams he left/went to looked exactly the same as the year before/after, and his presence is all that effected the W/L record.

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                • kac
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 530

                  #233
                  Re: MVP of the season so far?

                  Originally posted by wwharton
                  James is the most gifted player in the game and there really is no argument. But because of that he also costs a lot of money and tends to have other players wanting to get on a team with him (or off a team without him), so it'd be foolish to think that in either case, the teams he left/went to looked exactly the same as the year before/after, and his presence is all that effected the W/L record.
                  I agree with you I'm from Cleveland and was one of those people that when he left said he did so because he couldn't lead the team and had to go to Miami and team up with other stars but seeing the impact he has had after leaving both of those teams has changed my mind some.I will say this watching LeBron this year compared to past years you can tell his body is already starting to break down if the cavs don't get a ring within the next 3 years they never will I have a feeling LeBron will not be a dominant player at 33.

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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #234
                    Re: MVP of the season so far?

                    There have definitely been other circumstances to those teams dropping off with life after LeBron but he was still by far the biggest factor.

                    Still blows my mind how much he could/can impact players around him. Guys like Gibson, Pavlovic, couldn't even remain relevant in league after LeBron, Miami was able to win championships by signing guys off the couch and old players who were on their last legs. Start Joel Anthony in a finals series for crying out loud.

                    The Cavs this year in games with LeBron have a win percentage of .724 good for third in the league. Without LeBron .23 which is only better than the Knicks, Sixers, and Wolves. His direct impact is immeasurable by his numbers alone.

                    Harden should still be this years MVP. I would give LeBron equal footing with Curry though. But knowing how the award is usually given Curry is the player who meets the "best player on best team" criteria.

                    I still believe the co-MVP between Harden/Curry might be the best, or most fair, way for this years award to be given. I'm all for it


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                    • wwharton
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26949

                      #235
                      Re: MVP of the season so far?

                      Originally posted by kac
                      I agree with you I'm from Cleveland and was one of those people that when he left said he did so because he couldn't lead the team and had to go to Miami and team up with other stars but seeing the impact he has had after leaving both of those teams has changed my mind some.I will say this watching LeBron this year compared to past years you can tell his body is already starting to break down if the cavs don't get a ring within the next 3 years they never will I have a feeling LeBron will not be a dominant player at 33.
                      It doesn't sound like you agree with me at all actually.

                      Look at the Cavs roster before Lebron left, then look at the roster after he left (and account for injuries). Do the same thing with the Heat before and after.

                      Can do the same exercise with the teams before he arrived.

                      OJ makes some really good points that support what you're saying, but it's not like the teams were exactly the same and gaining/losing Lebron alone was a difference of 40+ games.

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #236
                        Re: MVP of the season so far?

                        Originally posted by ojandpizza
                        There have definitely been other circumstances to those teams dropping off with life after LeBron but he was still by far the biggest factor.

                        Still blows my mind how much he could/can impact players around him. Guys like Gibson, Pavlovic, couldn't even remain relevant in league after LeBron, Miami was able to win championships by signing guys off the couch and old players who were on their last legs. Start Joel Anthony in a finals series for crying out loud.


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                        Helps when you got 2 other all NBA caliber players on your team as well. But we won't have that convo again for the 100th time here.
                        #RespectTheCulture

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                        • kac
                          Pro
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 530

                          #237
                          Re: MVP of the season so far?

                          Originally posted by wwharton
                          It doesn't sound like you agree with me at all actually.

                          Look at the Cavs roster before Lebron left, then look at the roster after he left (and account for injuries). Do the same thing with the Heat before and after.

                          Can do the same exercise with the teams before he arrived.

                          OJ makes some really good points that support what you're saying, but it's not like the teams were exactly the same and gaining/losing Lebron alone was a difference of 40+ games.
                          I don't think it was a 40 game difference however you can see in the standings he makes a big difference I want a huge LeBron fan when he was with the cavs the first time around I thought he was a great player with way to much hype there's allot of great players in the nba that do not get the credit they deserve if I had to pick a mvp out would be westbrook I know they didn't make the playoffs but the hustle and heart he showed this year on top of his stats were unbelievable he put that Team on his back.

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #238
                            Re: MVP of the season so far?

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            Helps when you got 2 other all NBA caliber players on your team as well. But we won't have that convo again for the 100th time here.

                            Definitely helps, especially when Wade was playing healthy.


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                            • wwharton
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 26949

                              #239
                              Re: MVP of the season so far?

                              Originally posted by kac
                              I don't think it was a 40 game difference however you can see in the standings he makes a big difference I want a huge LeBron fan when he was with the cavs the first time around I thought he was a great player with way to much hype there's allot of great players in the nba that do not get the credit they deserve if I had to pick a mvp out would be westbrook I know they didn't make the playoffs but the hustle and heart he showed this year on top of his stats were unbelievable he put that Team on his back.
                              I don't think you get what I'm saying so I'll just leave it alone.

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                              • kac
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 530

                                #240
                                Re: MVP of the season so far?

                                Originally posted by wwharton
                                I don't think you get what I'm saying so I'll just leave it alone.
                                I understand your saying the makeup of the roster plus injuries makes a huge impact on the team's when they had LeBron and when he left.

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