MVP of the season so far?

[wwharton]

Re: MVP of the season so far?

I understand your saying the makeup of the roster plus injuries makes a huge impact on the team's when they had LeBron and when he left.

So saying "you can see in the standings he makes a big difference" isn't really accurate. We know he makes a big difference, and again OJ listed some good things to support your argument, but too many people have just "looked at the standings" as if nothing else significant changed with any of these teams besides Lebron coming/going.

[kac]

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So saying "you can see in the standings he makes a big difference" isn't really accurate. We know he makes a big difference, and again OJ listed some good things to support your argument, but too many people have just "looked at the standings" as if nothing else significant changed with any of these teams besides Lebron coming/going.

If LeBron was on Miami still would they have made the playoffs?

[JODYE]

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Probably, but you also can't ignore Bosh being out for a majority of the year, Wade missing 20 games and losing McRoberts and Napier for the season. They would have made the playoffs this year had they not caught the injury bug.

[kac]

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Probably, but you also can't ignore Bosh being out for a majority of the year, Wade missing 20 games and losing McRoberts and Napier for the season. They would have made the playoffs this year had they not caught the injury bug.

Wade missed 20 or more games every year now I guess the point I'm trying to make is if the mvp is based on how better any player makes there team LeBron makes any team a championship contender.

[ojandpizza]

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Maybe made the playoffs, but Miami had a losing record before Bosh went out.. When the only significant difference was a LeBron for Deng swap in the lineup.

You're both right but the reality lies somewhere in the middle of your arguments.


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[JODYE]

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Yeah, also included in that time before Bosh went out were 17 games that Wade was out and in reality 6 games under would have been good enough to get into the playoffs.

You can also look at it from the standpoint that without Bosh and a healthy Wade they were only 2 games under .500 the rest of the way. Realistically if everyone remained healthy there probably would have only been a 7-8 win difference from last season, given the climate of the Eastern Conference.

[King_B_Mack]

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Maybe made the playoffs, but Miami had a losing record before Bosh went out.. When the only significant difference was a LeBron for Deng swap in the lineup.

You're both right but the reality lies somewhere in the middle of your arguments.


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Still undervaluing the loss of McRoberts huh? Or the entire fact that the moves that the Heat made during the offseason last year outside of bringing in Deng were all made with the assumption of LeBron coming back so they were meant to be complimentary pieces to him.

[ojandpizza]

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Still undervaluing the loss of McRoberts huh? Or the entire fact that the moves that the Heat made during the offseason last year outside of bringing in Deng were all made with the assumption of LeBron coming back so they were meant to be complimentary pieces to him.

Idk how McRoberts being injured changes the team in regards to losing LeBron. McRoberts wasn't part of the team when LeBron was there, so it's not as if they lost a piece that once helped them and then had to adjust. And Wade missed more games last year than this year. So adjusting to him missing games is a wash, cancels out.

They started the year with the same core. They had Chalmers, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, Bird, Cole, added Deng, Granger, Ennis. There was still a very large drop off. Bigger than what I would assume any Heat fan would have imagined. People had this team pegged as a top 4 team in the East, they were playing like a lottery bound team.

It's not as simple as "all they lost was LeBron" because there are other factors, but it's just as silly to act like any of those factors are remotely close to the impact of LeBron leaving.. Like I said in my other post it's definitely somewhere between the two.. And even if they were to make the playoffs, squeezing into the playoffs and making 4 straight finals is a massive difference.




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[ojandpizza]

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Regardless this discussion is way off topic for who should be this years MVP.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Idk how McRoberts being injured changes the team in regards to losing LeBron. McRoberts wasn't part of the team when LeBron was there, so it's not as if they lost a piece that once helped them and then had to adjust. And Wade missed more games last year than this year. So adjusting to him missing games is a wash, cancels out.

They started the year with the same core. They had Chalmers, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, Bird, Cole, added Deng, Granger, Ennis. There was still a very large drop off. Bigger than what I would assume any Heat fan would have imagined. People had this team pegged as a top 4 team in the East, they were playing like a lottery bound team.

It's not as simple as "all they lost was LeBron" because there are other factors, but it's just as silly to act like any of those factors are remotely close to the impact of LeBron leaving.. Like I said in my other post it's definitely somewhere between the two.. And even if they were to make the playoffs, squeezing into the playoffs and making 4 straight finals is a massive difference.




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How is it not remotely close? We're talking about making the playoffs not Miami winning a championship or making the Finals. As for just writing off McRoberts as nothing, he didn't have to be apart of the team when LeBron was there to be a difference this year. LeBron is gone this year, McRoberts ended up being a piece they needed to help cover that loss as opposed to being a complimentary piece with him gone. With Wade going down, that affects the rotations and your team's depth. Once he went down, that's another loss unaccounted for and someone else needing to pick up the slack who may or may not be a better option than him considering how the team was put together. Bottomline, y'all dudes give LeBron way too much credit.

[ojandpizza]

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You aren't giving enough.


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[ojandpizza]

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And I don't know why you are saying "yall" I don't even have the same opinion as the other guy. I said reality lies between.


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[ojandpizza]

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But this still has nothing to do with McRoberts man[emoji23] lol


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[King_B_Mack]

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Yes, you keep throwing in that line that's its somewhere in between so you can make it seem like this isn't just you riding or dying for your boy LeBron, but then you keep making arguments that basically put them not making the playoffs solely on LeBron not being there.

And saying this has nothing to do with McRoberts with your little emoji like I'm saying he's the difference or not is mildly amusing. I merely brought him up because you keep not mentioning him at all in your reasoning for why they missed the playoffs, not to mention you're trying to say that the only significant change to the team was swapping LeBron and Deng as if Ray Allen wasn't a loss as well. Hell, all their significant three point threats were gone.

The Nets snuck into the playoffs with 38 wins, Miami only had 37. If you seriously want to sit here and pretend that Miami couldn't have gotten to 40 wins (hell, **** it, 39 wins) with Chris Bosh and Josh McRoberts healthy for the full year and not being forced to run out Udonis and Birdman huge minutes because of their lack of big man depth then okay.

[kac]

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I was just trying to bring up a point of why LeBron might be considered the mvp maybe lebrons name should be banned from the forums because it seems it makes people really bent out of shape.